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Old 09-24-2012, 08:49 PM
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Hi Curious,
We have a specific number of mourners 8.
Six women who apparently was was made up of inquest witnesses, and two men, one of them being Barnett.
If we take the women as
Mrs Cox.
Maria Harvey
Lizzie Prater.
Mrs Lewis
Caroline Maxwell?
Mrs McCarthy[ representing the landlord]
We then have to identify the other male.
We have a sketch which depicts the 6 females , and the two males at the grave site, so that is confirmed .
So we can speculate who the other male is.
Dan Barnett[ Joseph's brother] or John
Joe Fleming
George Hutchinson
A male relative[ brother]
The most likely would be Dan or John Barnett, as supporters for Joseph.
Regards Richard.

Hi, Richard,
Thanks for the reminder of just the 8. I was speaking more generally about newspaper stories when I should have stuck more closely to the discussion at hand.

I suppose some of her family could have been in the mob and no one would have known the difference.

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If the reporter couldn't get to talk to them then they had nothing to report. Figures on a landscape, just faces in a crowd, among hundreds at the funeral. And besides, the cemetery gates were guarded, if I recall correctly.
The press wouldn't have even known if any family members were present.

It isn't just a case of a reporter writing something, the story must be accepted by the editor, if he doesn't think it worthy it does not get printed.

Regards, Jon S.
Hi, Jon,
Actually, the difference may be small town, where I live and where we know and have access to all the officials, and large town, where I'm guessing the reporters might have to scramble to get a quote or a word from an official.

However, I disagree with your take: "It isn't just a case of a reporter writing something, the story must be accepted by the editor, if he doesn't think it worthy it does not get printed."

In a story this big that would sell enormous numbers of papers, the editor would be coming up with any angle he could think of and sending reporters out to get the story -- or multiple stories. In that day before telephones, the reporters had to physically chase the stories down.

And it is a story when someone declines to comment, or when the family has requested privacy. Not nearly as good a story as would be produced by talking to someone, but could still find space to let the readers know the paper had thought of that angle and tried.

In my world, enterprising reporters would be camped out at the police station, down on Dorset Street, or buying cops drinks to try to get a nugget or two of information.

Anyway, I feel sure there is a very big difference when you're the only game in town -- as my little paper is -- and when you're competing with a dozen or so other papers in a city the size of London.

But IF there was any member of MJK's family in town, I'm surprised some reporter did not ferret it out.

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Old 09-24-2012, 09:20 PM
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Hello Jerry. Thanks. Well put.

Do we know whom the editor was?

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Old 09-24-2012, 10:32 PM
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Regarding Marys possible Welsh background,.....I dont believe that Wales was in the process of planning and executing disturbances in London to draw attention to their desire to be self governing, so the RIC attending that site may well be indicative that they knew something about Mary that we have been unable to prove..that she was indeed Irish.

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Old 09-25-2012, 12:53 AM
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However, I disagree with your take: "It isn't just a case of a reporter writing something, the story must be accepted by the editor, if he doesn't think it worthy it does not get printed."

In a story this big that would sell enormous numbers of papers, the editor would be coming up with any angle he could think of and sending reporters out to get the story -- or multiple stories.
But what story?
First of all, no-one announced any members of the family were expected. No-one knew what they would look like if anyone turned up. Among throngs of people how does any reporter assume this or that strange face (among hundreds of strange faces) might be relatives of the deceased?

There is no story to cover, and the proof lies in the pudding, which is why we have no reports of any family in attendance.

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Hi all
I recall reading in an edition of Ripperana about 97/98 a report mentioning officers of the RIC being present in the aftermath at Millers Court.
Can anyone else shed any more light on this?
I'm not sure now whether it was written by Nick Warren or another contributor but interesting none the less.

During the Fenian dynamite war 1881-1885 50 RIC officers where loaned to the Metropolitan Police by Dublin Castle. With several other RIC officers operating elsewhere in the UK. Given Kelly's possible Irish heritage it is not unlikely that some sort of covert operation was being conducted by Special Branch encompassing RIC officers?
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