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Old 09-11-2010, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE] Lincoln's Assassination attracted such theories (and still does) almost from the start. [/quote]

I thought that had been established beyond doubt, that it was a Male Model
who'd done it ?
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Hi Graham,

Let us not forget these chestnuts too:

JFK's Assassination (take your pick )
Martin Luther King's Assassination
Malcolm X's Assassination (were the right people "caught" and sent to prison).
The Lindbergh Kidnap - Murder (Was Hauptmann involved at all or a fall guy; if involved who else helped him (i.e.:who was Isidor Fisch?); if not him, who then?)
The Mountain Meadows Massacre (Did John Lee and his associates do it alone, or were they under orders from Salt Lake City?).
The Assassination of King Gustavus III of Sweden (Verdi's "THE MASKED BALL" plot).
The Murder of Sir Edmundberry Godfrey (by Catholics, by Protestants, or by the mad Earl of Pembroke).

As for the death of King William Rufus in 1100, as Conan Doyle might have made Professor Moriarty say, "Deer me, Mr. Holmes, Deer me!"

Jeff
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Old 09-12-2010, 01:06 PM
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"Apparently, Watson, an arrow glanced off a tree and struck Rufus dead."

"What kind of tree, Holmes?"

"A lemon tree, my dear Watson."
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Hi Graham,

Let us not forget these chestnuts too:

JFK's Assassination (take your pick )
Martin Luther King's Assassination
Malcolm X's Assassination (were the right people "caught" and sent to prison).
The Lindbergh Kidnap - Murder (Was Hauptmann involved at all or a fall guy; if involved who else helped him (i.e.:who was Isidor Fisch?); if not him, who then?)
The Mountain Meadows Massacre (Did John Lee and his associates do it alone, or were they under orders from Salt Lake City?).
The Assassination of King Gustavus III of Sweden (Verdi's "THE MASKED BALL" plot).
The Murder of Sir Edmundberry Godfrey (by Catholics, by Protestants, or by the mad Earl of Pembroke).

As for the death of King William Rufus in 1100, as Conan Doyle might have made Professor Moriarty say, "Deer me, Mr. Holmes, Deer me!"

Jeff
Hi Jeff,

JFK and MLK have been done to death, but I still have a passing interest in the Lindbergh Kidnap, and these days I'm more or less convinced that Hauptmann was the man.

Sir Edmundberry Godfrey? Never heard of him! Great name, great plot!

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"Apparently, Watson, an arrow glanced off a tree and struck Rufus dead."

"What kind of tree, Holmes?"

"A lemon tree, my dear Watson."
"It seems, Holmes, that the man who should've been guarding William was high on the 11th century equivalent of a spliff".

"A mellow sentry, Watson".

Graham
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:38 AM
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Hi Graham,

The Popish Plot of 1676 was brought out by the totally untrustworthy Titus Oates, a defrocked Catholic clergyman (he claimed - he probably lied: he usually lied). Oates was working for Lord Shaftesbury and the Whigs to replace Charles II's brother James, Duke of York with his so-called illegitimate sone James, Duke of Monmouth and Bucclueth. Charles was determined to keep his brother (a legitimate Stuart) as heir. Charles II was a pretty smart guy. He questioned Oates and other informers of the plot, and realized they were lying (Charles had secretly practiced Catholicism for years, and knew the crap that Oates was spreading for what it was). But to quiet Shaftesbury
and Monmouth he had the papers that Oates and his fellow informers signed as their testimony given to a leading magistrate: Sir Edmundberry Godfrey. Godfrey began studying his papers, but suddenly he began acting very scared. He did not say why. They he vanished. His corpse was found with a sword through his body and signs of wax on his clothing as well as evidence of being beaten - even kicked. The body was found on Greenberry Hill. Eventually Charles decided to let the Whigs go to far. They started an anti Catholic movement that led to the trials of three men named Green, Berry, and Hill (yes really), who were executed for treason and killing Justice Godfrey. For two years Sharftesbury and his men ran amuck, until the public began to question the truthfulness of Oates and his pals. Charles was wise - the public turned on them and Shaftesbury.

The reason that it remains a great mystery was because we don't know if Sir Edmundberry was killed by Catholics he was investigating, Protestants (led by Oates), or a personal enemy. John Dickson Carr did a study of the murder, and he found that Godfrey had served on a trial as magistrate, and saw it was fair. The perpetrator was a violent alcoholic, the Earl of Pembroke, who was probably responsible for beating to death five men. He had a personal signature, known as the "Pembroke Kick", where he would walk over and kick the victims he killed to death. The marks on Godfrey's body were identical to Pembroke's typical work.

That is the story of this tragedy.

Jeff
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Some time after the mourning period for King William Rufus passed, did they throw a stag party?
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