Hammersmith Nude Murders (Stripper)

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Chris

Your supplied information is most useful and I will make enquiries first thing monday morning.

I guess the problem relates to Mungo's widow, who I gather had to move house following Seabrook's book release and also Seabrookes accusations against Cushway, who was still alive and living in Chingford four years ago.

Bizarrely all the information has cast further doubt on either suspect being the killer.

I gather that many family members (Both victim and suspect) read these boards which is why I'm happy to post and discuss if anyone wishes to PM me directly.

I certainly have information on the Tailford family I'm happy to pass on to relatives.

As this year is the anniversary its interesting to note more information has been released and I hope it helps various relatives, given that all the victims left large families

Many thanks

Yours Jeff

[Chris]

I guess the problem relates to Mungo's widow, who I gather had to move house following Seabrook's book release and also Seabrookes accusations against Cushway, who was still alive and living in Chingford four years ago.

Yes. There is also a "Health and Safety" exemption which could be invoked if releasing the information would endanger the physical or mental health of a close relation of one of the suspects. Though that could perhaps be challenged on the basis that the damage had already been done when he was first publicly identified.

[Jeff Leahy]

Yes. There is also a "Health and Safety" exemption which could be invoked if releasing the information would endanger the physical or mental health of a close relation of one of the suspects. Though that could perhaps be challenged on the basis that the damage had already been done when he was first publicly identified.

Yes its a complex arguement. I gather that Neil Milkin was informed that 'Mungos' wife was a brothel maid. He doesn't give a name in his book but its implied?

Something that interested me, given the profession of the victims and some suggestion of links between various victims and 8mm porn films and various parties.

However I'm now of the opinion that this is a red herring.

Mungo was a war hero who fought on HMS Penelop. A ship sunk with 610 lives lost. He probably met his wife in Malta under stressfull circumstance.

I see no evidence that serial killers take there own lives and while its possible Mungo killed O'hara, the disputed victim, he didnt start working at heron Industrial estate until Helen Barolomy and Mary flemming's bodies had already been dumped covered in Paint spec's. This can not be explained?

I presume that Neil Milkin published hoping new news on Harold Jones where about's might surface during 1964.

To my knowledge, at present, none has done so.

But my guess is that the police have a serious consideration. What if John De Rose alligations against Mungo and his widow are after all... incorrect?

That might be one hell of a court case

Thank you for your post

Yours Jeff

PS RIP Irene Lockwood, 50 years today 8th April

[sdreid]

As with the Ripper, it seems like we keep putting more suspects on the table without taking any off.

[Jeff Leahy]

As with the Ripper, it seems like we keep putting more suspects on the table without taking any off.

Hi Stan

I've just gotten back from London Archives. Jokingly I said to my partner who had never been there... "it will be full of ripperologists research MPO files.

To my amazement I walk into the libary and I knew half the people there..yes ripperologists with sophisticated camera's snapping away at 1888 files..

So lots of new jtr books on the way!!

But I did get to look at the newly released file..bit of a disappointment, however it was largely the news paper reports of OWEN SUMMERS

And he clearly claims that Mungo Irleand was framed by the police force. And a Policeman did it!

BUT WHY?

I think I have an answer to that.... A new place for Stripperology suspects 2014

Post 'Ireland' and 'Cushway'.I think they can be written off..and with two brand new suspects to take the case forward..

Yours Jeff

[Sunbury]

You Tube has documentary

For those late to the murders, You Tube has the documentary in the Great Crimes and Trials series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu1lCfwqEeI

[Jeff Leahy]

State Of Stripperolgy 2014

State of Stripperology 50th Anniversary 2014

Hi Everyone

As we are now in the 50th anniversary of the Stripper or Hammersmith Nude Murders I wanted to open up some of the suspects who have been put forward and ask the question have the leading contenders changed in the past 50 years or so?

Ask the question why are the files still closed and likely to remain so, if David Seabrooke is correct, for the next 100 years.

The Prime suspect was John De Rose ‘Security Guard’ who worked at the Heron industrial Estate, named in 1974 in Brian McConnells book ‘Found Dead and Naked‘ as ‘Big John’, and later revealed in David Seabrook’s book ‘Jack of Jumps‘ as Mungo Ireland.

Incidentally Mungo for the last ten years was always my preferred suspect as he was the only suspect definitely connected to the Heron Industrial Estate where we know four of the bodies were stored in an Electric Substation.

Other names have been connected including Boxer Freddie Mills and of course the Kray Twins who were interviewed at their solicitors office in connection to the crimes.

But owing largely to Owen Summers news paper feature in 1972, who refuted John De Rose suspect, several police officers names have been put forward. The last suggested by David Seabrook was a low ranking CID officer called Cushway.

More recently Neil Milkin raised a number off circumstances connecting known serial killer Harold Jones to the Stripper murders. A case he makes with some intriguing circumstantial evidence, that surely make him one of the leading suspects in 2014.

But Neil Milkin’s book also raises some serious questions about Mungo Ireland being Jack the Stripper. Indeed Milkins publishes several emails from Mungo’s grandson that paints Mungo in a very different light to that painted by Brian McConnell.

Ireland had served during the War on HMS Penelop. A boat famous for action and eventually being torpedo’d. He also points out that Mungo didn't start working at the Heron Industrial Estate until after the discovery of Helen Barthelemy and Mary Flemming. Indeed he only worked there for a few weeks.

It leaves the question therefore: ‘How the hell did John De Rose get away with accusing Mungo Ireland of being Jack the Stripper without his wife speaking up and denying the allogations?

And its that question that I think I have found an answer to at long last.

Fact: Ireland was in Scotland the night Bridget O’Hara disappeared. He never showed up on any of the police number plate searches. He only worked at the Heron Industrial estate for a few weeks. Serial killers don’t tend to commit suicide.

Indeed why haven’t Irelands family insisted the Police supply evidence that Ireland was Jack the Stripper or issue a statement exonerating him? After all it would appear that it was an error by police that allowed David Seabrook to publish Mungo Irelands name.

My understanding is that Mungo’s wife Elizabeth was forced to move from their address following the publication of Seabrook’s book. Yet still she kept quiet. Why?

I think the answer lies with the Metropolitan Police force and corruption in the 1960-70’s

(to Continue)

[Jeff Leahy]

Did John De Rose Know the identity of the Killer?

P.S.

Just an extra thought for everyone.

If Mungo Ireland wasnt Jack the Stripper. Why would John De Rose (Five day Johnny) go on national TV certain in the fact that he had gotten his man and that he would not strike again?

Further to that he was also proved correct as no more bodies were discovered after Mungo Irelands Suicide.

And how come De Rose had no worries about Mrs Ireland either talking to the press? (She was at the same address even Own Summers could have figured that one out) So how did he also know Elizabeth Ireland wouldnt challenge his claims if he was indeed fingering an innocent man?

Would he risk his considerable reputation if he wasnt fairly certain the crimes would stop?

One to get you all thinking

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Stripperology 2014

Was Jack the Stripper a Copper?

Certainly Own Summers believed this to be the case in 1972

But which Copper?

Information within the force and more specifically at Hendon College where the recruits were train was divided.

And might someone have a reason for selling David Seabrook a pup?

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Who Was The Police Suspect

Thanks Jeff. How many cop suspects are we talking about, if you don't mind?

Ah well if you believe Wikki we are talking about Butler and Cushway :flypig:

In his book on the case, 'Jack of Jumps', David Seabrook said a former Metropolitan Police DC was the favourite suspect of several senior detectives investigating the case. This suspect was recently identified as DC Brian Cushway by the writer Stewart Home in a review of Seabrook's book (www.stewarthomesociety.org/seabrook.htm) but there is no evidence supporting the allegation, which is merely speculative.

Jimmy Evans and Martin Short in their book 'The Survivor' allege the culprit was Superintendent Tommy Butler of the Metropolitan Police's Flying Squad.

Actually I think there was only ever one police suspect and Own Summer new exactly who that was. He was simply prevented from giving the name because people at the top, Denning, MI5 MI6 special branch, didnt want it to be known.

The ripperologist 'X', who mentioned the Australian suspect was quite clear that it had been a open secret at Hendon for years that the killer was *** ***

So why were seniour police officers at Hendon so sure they could protect an ex-police officer if there wasnt very seniour Police and Government connections wanting the identity protected?

Also why was Seabrook given access in the first place? He was refused access by Capon after all?

Did someone want Seabrook sold a pup? Did they know Cushway was a non starter and offer Seabrook access if he told a truth they wanted the public to hear? Hence Cushway

And then Seabrook dies in mysterious circumstances. Not the first author to die in mysterious circumstance, Marelia Novotney also died in mysterious circumstance trying to publish a book on this subject.

So I think there is only one real police suspect. And Owen Summer knew who that was.

Yours Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Jack The Stripper Double Event

Hi Everyone

As its the 50th Anniversary of Lockwood's murder this month. I thought it might be good to remember that she was also a double event.

She was at least three months pregnant with a little girl the night she was killed

Yours Jeff

[sdreid]

This coming Thursday, the 24th, is the 50th anniversary of the discovery of Helen Bartelemy's remains.

[Jeff Leahy]

This coming Thursday, the 24th, is the 50th anniversary of the discovery of Helen Bartelemy's remains.

Helen was the first body to be stored. Presumably the killer was waiting for Regormortis to end which takes around 48 hrs.

Interestingly she was posed and placed in an ally way. Reminisent of the first murder committed by Harold Jones.

Her top four front teeth were absent

Yours Jeff

[Barnaby]

Fascinated

I read this entire 50 page thread and have become fascinated by this case. I was vaguely familiar with it but had little interest because I believed that the police had identified a suspect who killed himself and there was little debate over his guilt. Clearly, this is incorrect.

I also recently watched the youtube documentary. What is the fastest way to become more familiar with the case? Should I read the books in chronological order, or should I pick a more recent one that summarizes the older books?

[Jeff Leahy]

I read this entire 50 page thread and have become fascinated by this case. I was vaguely familiar with it but had little interest because I believed that the police had identified a suspect who killed himself and there was little debate over his guilt. Clearly, this is incorrect.

I also recently watched the youtube documentary. What is the fastest way to become more familiar with the case? Should I read the books in chronological order, or should I pick a more recent one that summarizes the older books?

The most modern and complete book is Neil Milkin's 'Who was Jack the Stripper' where he puts forward Harold Jones as the Killer.

I'm working on a Post that proposes John Burrows.

I think Mungo Ireland and Cushway (Put forward by Seabrook in Jack of Jumps, have been largely discounted.

But its an on going case that has never been solved with more variation than the JtR murders.

The more interest the case has the more likely we are to have an opening of the files. Its my belief that John Burrows blackmailed Elizabeth Ireland into staying quiet

Yours Jeff