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Old 10-01-2010, 03:31 AM
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Well, I will say this for Ms. Cornwell.

She asks a great deal of very good questions. Her answers seem contrived and contorted, but the questions she asks are quite good. Most of my enjoyment from the book came from "Well clearly that answer is wrong, but I wonder what the answer is?" or "It never occurred to me to question that before"

And if my old history prof is correct, someone who get's us to ask the right questions is far more valuable than someone who gives us the answers.
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Old 10-01-2010, 08:57 AM
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Well, I will say this for Ms. Cornwell.

She asks a great deal of very good questions. Her answers seem contrived and contorted, but the questions she asks are quite good. Most of my enjoyment from the book came from "Well clearly that answer is wrong, but I wonder what the answer is?" or "It never occurred to me to question that before"

And if my old history prof is correct, someone who get's us to ask the right questions is far more valuable than someone who gives us the answers.
It's amazing how intelligent people - Cornwell included - can properly evaluate others' theories critically but are utterly incapable of doing the same to their own. I suspect we are all slightly guilty of this.
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Cornwells dedication at the begining of the book "we finally got him" is both offensive and insulting to the many people who have put genuine time and effort into their research.They also had to work without the vast amount of money she had to buy her results.
As for the book itself it has passages which can only be described as bizarre and at times incomprehensible
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Cornwells dedication at the begining of the book "we finally got him" is both offensive and insulting to the many people who have put genuine time and effort into their research.They also had to work without the vast amount of money she had to buy her results.
As for the book itself it has passages which can only be described as bizarre and at times incomprehensible
Perhaps the dedication should be attributed to Cornwells insecurity, rather than her ego.
Publisher : " Patsy..... could you repeat the last bit again, you spent how much ? ".
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i wonder if she sits at her desk in the night giving a holy f**k what we all think and say about her. everyone, even those who say they dont, secretly crave the admiration and acceptance from their audience be it an actor wanting good reviews and so on. I wonder what she feels about her reputation in the Ripper world?
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I am sure that she is irked a little a by the negative attitude of so many Ripperologists, but what the heck, they're just oddballs.
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If Sickert was a letter hoaxer, and thanks to Cornwells book there are compelling reasons to think so,then he deserves the slating he gets.
No, he doesn't. Even if Sickert did write one or more hoax letters, you really believe that he should be labelled a serial killer? Really?

And Cornwell is (was) a great writer of crime fiction. Christ, it doesn't make her Nabokov.
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I do not think Sickert should be a labelled a serial killer because i dont believe he committed those crimes, but hoax letter writers belong to a class of pathetic loser/ petty criminal." Genius " Sickert should no better.
I thought Cornwells Ripper effort was superior to the Scarpetta books.
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Clearly she made an error of judgement in accusing Sickert of being a serial killer on the 'evidence' she presented.

But what always surprises me is how many people, while condemning her for this terrible crime, accept almost without question her evidence for Sickert having authored one or more ripper letters. I don't see it myself; I would need more and better evidence before I accuse him of this.

That being said, if I believed he wrote a single ripper letter I would have rather less sympathy for him, because it was not only a sick and despicable prank for anyone to play, but he would only have had himself to blame if he had been arrested for it at the time and consequently suspected of far worse.

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I think "Scorpio" is correct in essence when he wrote that Patricia "made a genuine effort to drag ripperology into the forensic age". Had she not been so determined to claim that she had solved the mystery, but had just written a book detailing the forensic work done and the results then would she have encountered the same quantity and same kind of criticism? Somehow I don't think so. So what people have objected to is her arrogance in claiming to have solved what others couldn't, but I again wonder how much this was imposed on her by her publishers and television. When people invest as much money in something as gets invested in every new Cornwell book, the pressures are enormous. even on lowly hacks it can be bad.

As for the Ripper letters Sickert is alleged to have written, this was a conclusion reached by the paper examiner and historian Peter Bower, a quietly authoritative expert witness used worldwide by museums and art galleries, and is based on microscopic examination of correspondence which suggests that Ripper letters and Sickert letters came from the same small batch of paper, from which it seems highly improbable that both sets of letters didn't come from the same source. I understand that a full account of the evidence has not been possible because the owner(s) of the Sickert lettersis can and have imposed restrictions on their publication. Peter's conclusions have nevertheless been questioned and are by no means known to be correct.

Other experts, notably the Sickert authority Anna Gruetzner Robins, who wrote Walter Sickert:The Complete Writings on Art, also added their weight to the conclusion that Sickert penned Ripper missives, so, allowing that it is possible that these people felt under pressure to support Patricia, which I must admit isn't the impression I received, it's possibly understandable that she felt a greater conviction that she's struck pay dirt with Sickert than her other evidence and theorising merited.

Overall, Monty probably hits the nail right on the head when he said that Patricia became the bete noir of Ripperologists because she publicly bad mouthed them, but I think she was misled into believing that the Ripperological community was out to "get her" and she went into a defensive attack mode. People have personal issues and even multi-millionaire writers like Patricia Cornwell aren't immune from being deeply hurt by the criticism they receive - or anticipate.
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