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Is there any evidence that shows Cox knew what Barnett looked liked and this was not the same man she described at the inquest with the Blotchy face going into Kelly's apartment with him?

http://www.casebook.org/suspects/barnett.html
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Is there any evidence that shows Cox knew what Barnett looked liked and this was not the same man she described at the inquest with the Blotchy face going into Kelly's apartment with him?

http://www.casebook.org/suspects/barnett.html
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Not that I know of. But cox lived there and knew Mary so I am sure she knew Barnett was marys boyfriend and would have told police blotchy was barnett if it was.
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Let's turn things on their head...Is there any really firm evidence that anybody knew Cox and could testify how reliable she was?

At some point or another we have to start accepting contemporary statements and giving them SOME credence...or we have to start denying almost all newspaper (or worst) evidence...which is where Stewart comes in...difficult isn't it?
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Why didn't you just add your post to one of the Joseph Barnett threads, instead of adding another one?
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Is there any evidence that shows Cox knew what Barnett looked liked and this was not the same man she described at the inquest with the Blotchy face going into Kelly's apartment with him?

http://www.casebook.org/suspects/barnett.html
Then how come she didn't recognise him when they both appeared at the same Inquest?
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Let's turn things on their head...Is there any really firm evidence that anybody knew Cox and could testify how reliable she was?

At some point or another we have to start accepting contemporary statements and giving them SOME credence...or we have to start denying almost all newspaper (or worst) evidence...which is where Stewart comes in...difficult isn't it?

Indeed Dave.
If it wasn't for the press, we would have nothing to speak of in these crimes.
What is necessary though is to pay closer attention to the type of press accounts we have, not just dismiss anything that doesn't agree with our theories.

When discussing the murders, inquest coverage by the press is thee most reliable. There may be the occasional spelling mistake, or mispronunciation, but there is never a rational reason to believe the press will add testimony that was never spoken.

Witness statements directly to the press, not given at an inquest are certainly open to tampering by the reporter, but unless we have some contradictory evidence, there is once again no reason to dismiss what is reported.

Press opinion, demonstrably is thee most unreliable. Unreferenced sources can be readily invented to grab the attention of the reader and make a story where none really exists.

Quoting from the press is fine, so long as we are aware of what we are quoting, and the associated reliability that goes along with it.
Dismissing everything is just as bad as believing everything they wrote. There is a value in press reports, the details just need to be weighed against what else is known from other sources.
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Then how come she didn't recognise him when they both appeared at the same Inquest?
That's probably a good point. Thanks.
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