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Nor can I. The motive seems all wrong - especially for the pre-Kelly murders. But she had been eating fish and we know that Joe may have been dismissed for stealing fish.

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Nor can I. The motive seems all wrong - especially for the pre-Kelly murders. But she had been eating fish and we know that Joe may have been dismissed for stealing fish.

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So Mary died of food poisoning? (Barnett lost his job in July)
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There was a suggestion that Joe Barnett took up with one of the women who gave evidence at Mary Jane Kelly's inquest - in fact very shortly afterwards. He married Louisa but she could have been using another name at the time of the murder - and was in one of the properties at Miller's Court at the time.

Have others heard this?
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There was a suggestion that Joe Barnett took up with one of the women who gave evidence at Mary Jane Kelly's inquest - in fact very shortly afterwards. He married Louisa but she could have been using another name at the time of the murder - and was in one of the properties at Miller's Court at the time.

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Theres a pretty long thread on it somewhere.
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There's one discussion on it dating way back to 2009.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=2171&page=2

Joe's background has also been discussed (under his name) in JTRF.

I can't remember where I read it but there was a pretty searing short Press account about Joe's demeanour, written at the time of Mary's inquest. It describes him being 'comforted' after Mary's death with female company, including one notorious woman of bad reputation. It's pretty sarcastic stuff, and doesn't sound much like the Joe who apparently left in a huff because his girlfriend was sheltering an unfortunate friend.
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Newspaper gossip can't be taken too seriously. We can't identify Louisa as they never married. No marriage has been found.
Bruce Paley's book was very useful in that he identified Joe's family with a lot of research, but his thesis that Joe was a killer was based on 20th century american psycopath profiles was wrong. He claims that Joe's mother vanished and became a prostitute or alcoholic possibly.To fit in with the profile. He did not have access to other information [ the book was pre internet] about Catherine.
The Barnett siblings stayed close after the death of their father John in 1864, we have a lot of evidence for that. John's death would have left Catherine, with five children to support. She moved in with a fellow dock worker,Thomas Allman from Cork [ Catherine was from Cork also] a widower with a daughter, who lived close by, and she worked as a ropemaker. The dock workers were a very close social group, mostly Irish, who supported each other. They went on strike in1889. Historically, family was important, their standard of living was very low. By housekeeping and living with Allman she was saved from destitution, leaving Denis the eldest to look after the younger children and she probably helped out with money, their is no evidence she abandoned them. They all lived fairly close together. In the 1881 census, Denis also a fish porter was living in Bermondsey with his wife Mary and two children but also living with him was his aunt Mrs Hayes[ Hayes was Catherine's maiden name] Catherine married Allman, a few months before she died in 1885.
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