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  • #16
    Walter Horsford
    Frederick Deeming
    Catherine Flannagan
    Margaret Higgins
    Louisa Jane Taylor
    Henri Pineux ("Count Henri de Tourville")
    Roland P. Molineux

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    • #17
      I wonder if the list should also include such wackos like John Wesley Hardin and William Bonney ("Billy the Kid"), both of whom are listed as old West gunslingers - but who are both killing men by the same method all the time: shooting.

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      • #18
        Forgot Boston child murderer Thomas Piper.

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        • #19
          Newton's The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers does list some wild west types including Bonney and Hardin.
          This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

          Stan Reid

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          • #20
            Thanks Stan.

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            • #21
              NP Jeff

              Anna Zwanziger
              Joseph Briggen
              Lucretia Cannon

              I have 20 more when I get the time.
              This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

              Stan Reid

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              • #22
                Thomas Carr
                George Caraway
                Williamina Dean
                Martin Dumollard
                Gessina Gottfried
                This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                Stan Reid

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                • #23
                  Marie Jeanneret
                  Helene Jegado
                  Pierre Lacenaire
                  Sarah Jane Newman
                  Charles Peace
                  This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                  Stan Reid

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                  • #24
                    Pierre Voirbo
                    Thomas Wainright
                    Alfred Warder
                    Margaret Waters
                    Edmund de la Pommerais
                    Edward Pritchard
                    Jean Raies
                    Stephen Richards
                    Sarah Jane Richards
                    Lydia Newman
                    This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                    Stan Reid

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                    • #25
                      Sorry-Should be Sarah Jane Robinson not Richards.
                      This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                      Stan Reid

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                      • #26
                        Laceniare?

                        I am not sure about Pierre Laceniare - he is recalled for one murder and an attempted murder that got botched (which was of a bank messanger - it was a murder for profit). He did supposedly kill a man (a nephew of the writer Benjamin Constant) in a duel about 1830 but it is a duel.

                        Similarly the murder of Jean Kinck, his son, and then his wife and other children by Jean Baptiste Troppman is a murder for profit, and I hesitate to consider that too - although there were time gaps in the Kinck murders.

                        I am glad you included Doctor Warder - the forgotten Victorian poison killer, who was once an expert witness (for Dr. Palmer, of all people) at a homicide trial.

                        Voirbo is also confusing - The murder of Bodace (a well-planned one if ever there was one) was for gain. He is responsible for the death (from delerium tremens) of an alcoholic suspect (Jefer?), but that killing was not planned. There is a possibility he killed a young woman at a cottage, but that has never been firmly established. His record of multiple killings is reminiscent of John Alexander Dickman - convicted of killing John Nisbet on that Newcastle train, and suspected in the death of Mrs. Luard and that moneylender.

                        Pritchard too is confusing. He certainly poisoned his wife and mother in law
                        (for which he hanged in 1865) but that was in one long instance. He probably also killed a maid he may have gotten pregnant in 1863. But the methods are different (poison for the wife and in-law; drug the maid and let her burn to death or die of smoke inhalation).

                        One might also consider secret poisoner (and hanged as a wife murderer) Eugene Chantrelle, who may have killed an earlier acquaintance with a doctored luncheon in the 1870s.

                        A late 19th Century practitioner who may have branched out and offered his ideas to others was Arthur J. Monson of the Ardlamont Mystery. Check out the essay on him by Roughead (as well as the essay on Chantrelle).

                        Jeff

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                        • #27
                          Also to my regret, I meant Lydia Sherman not Newman.
                          This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                          Stan Reid

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                          • #28
                            All those I named and more are in the aforementioned The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers.
                            This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

                            Stan Reid

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                            • #29
                              I would include murders for profit, at least in some cases. It's not always clear the exact motivation for some murders. Anyways, if Burke and Hare are included, so must be the London Burkers: John Bishop and Thomas Williams. Some others that may not have been mentioned are Mary Ann Britland, Jane Scott, Sarah Dazley, Jessie King. Also Ada Chard-Williams and her husband William, although their exact number of victims is unknown.

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                              • #30
                                New updates!

                                Jack the Ripper

                                H. H. Holmes
                                Amelia Dyer
                                Mary Ann Cotton
                                Jane Toppan
                                George Chapman
                                Belle Gunness
                                Joseph Vacher
                                Servant Girl Annihilator
                                William Palmer
                                Johann Otto Hoch
                                The Bloody Benders
                                Thomas Neill Cream
                                Thug Behram
                                Delphin LaLaurie
                                Burke and Hare
                                Catherine Wilson
                                Joseph Philipe
                                W. H. Theodore Durrant
                                Thames Torso Murderer
                                Amelia Sach
                                Annie Walters
                                Jesse Pomeroy

                                Walter Horsford
                                Frederick Deeming
                                Catherine Flannagan
                                Margaret Higgins
                                Louisa Jane Taylor
                                Henri Pineux ("Count Henri de Tourville")
                                Roland P. Molineux

                                Thomas Piper
                                Anna Zwanziger
                                Joseph Briggen
                                Lucretia Cannon
                                Thomas Carr
                                George Caraway
                                Williamina Dean
                                Martin Dumollard
                                Gessina Gottfried
                                Marie Jeanneret
                                Helene Jegado
                                Pierre Lacenaire
                                Sarah Jane Newman
                                Charles Peace
                                Pierre Voirbo
                                Thomas Wainright
                                Alfred Warder
                                Margaret Waters
                                Edmund de la Pommerais
                                Edward Pritchard
                                Jean Raies
                                Stephen Richards
                                Sarah Jane Robinson
                                Lydia Sherman

                                John Wesley Hardin
                                William Bonney ("Billy the Kid")

                                John Bishop
                                Thomas Williams
                                Mary Ann Britland
                                Jane Scott
                                Sarah Dazley
                                Jessie King

                                Ada Chard-Williams
                                William Williams

                                Jean Baptiste Troppman
                                Eugene Chantrelle


                                Thanks everyone for contributing!



                                Originally posted by Mayerling View Post
                                Forgot Boston child murderer Thomas Piper.
                                Boston, you say? I live in the area, although I've never heard of him before. Definitely going to have to look into this....



                                Originally posted by sdreid View Post
                                All those I named and more are in the aforementioned The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers.
                                My friend lives quite a bit away, so I'm still waiting for the return of my copy. XD



                                Originally posted by Mayerling View Post
                                I am not sure about Pierre Laceniare - he is recalled for one murder and an attempted murder that got botched (which was of a bank messanger - it was a murder for profit). He did supposedly kill a man (a nephew of the writer Benjamin Constant) in a duel about 1830 but it is a duel.

                                Similarly the murder of Jean Kinck, his son, and then his wife and other children by Jean Baptiste Troppman is a murder for profit, and I hesitate to consider that too - although there were time gaps in the Kinck murders.

                                I am glad you included Doctor Warder - the forgotten Victorian poison killer, who was once an expert witness (for Dr. Palmer, of all people) at a homicide trial.

                                Voirbo is also confusing - The murder of Bodace (a well-planned one if ever there was one) was for gain. He is responsible for the death (from delerium tremens) of an alcoholic suspect (Jefer?), but that killing was not planned. There is a possibility he killed a young woman at a cottage, but that has never been firmly established. His record of multiple killings is reminiscent of John Alexander Dickman - convicted of killing John Nisbet on that Newcastle train, and suspected in the death of Mrs. Luard and that moneylender.

                                Pritchard too is confusing. He certainly poisoned his wife and mother in law
                                (for which he hanged in 1865) but that was in one long instance. He probably also killed a maid he may have gotten pregnant in 1863. But the methods are different (poison for the wife and in-law; drug the maid and let her burn to death or die of smoke inhalation).

                                One might also consider secret poisoner (and hanged as a wife murderer) Eugene Chantrelle, who may have killed an earlier acquaintance with a doctored luncheon in the 1870s.

                                A late 19th Century practitioner who may have branched out and offered his ideas to others was Arthur J. Monson of the Ardlamont Mystery. Check out the essay on him by Roughead (as well as the essay on Chantrelle).

                                Jeff
                                Thank you for your fascinating input, Jeff. <3 I really appreciate it.

                                I'm probably going to go through these names over the weekend and organize the list properly- ABC order, timeline, victim #, confirmed, suspected, or unknown.
                                "You want to take revenge for my murdered sister? Sister would definitely have not ... we would not have wanted you to be like this."

                                ~ Angelina Durless

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