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  • FAO Observer, re witnesses

    Hi Observer,

    “It follows that Abberline was technically at fault when he commented to the effect, "witnesses who described foreign suspects only acquired rear sightings".”
    Abberline was clearly referring to witnesses who described foreign or Jewish-looking suspects in their witness statements. Lawende clearly does not belong in this category because he never gave any impression at the time that he considered the suspect to have been foreign of Jewish in appearance. Abberline then goes on to observe that “they” – the witnesses who mentioned Jewish or foreign appearances in their statements – only got a rear view of their suspect. The observation necessarily excludes any witness who described a foreign-looking person, but obtained a full frontal view, for whatever reason. That wouldn’t make Abberline “at fault” in any sense.

    The fact that they were writing years after the event and became confused as to certain details is really a side issue to the fact that they all lend mutual support for the premise that certain witnesses were clearly discarded at some stage prior to the penning of the memoirs in question. You won’t find a police report from any senior police official describing in detail why Matthew Packer and Emanuel Vilonenia were no longer considered of interest. It’s their complete absence that tells the story, coupled with the fact that other witnesses who expressed more doubt about the possibility of identifying their suspects were nonetheless preferred for identity attempts. It’s the only logical, if not inescapable conclusion, especially if it has independent corroboration from separate press sources.

    “Elizabeth Long wasn't Jewish. Of course we have to determine what constitutes "a good look", I reckon she got a decent look at the man she observed with Annie Chapman. Did Lawende get "a good look" at his suspect?”
    Better than Elizabeth Long’s who only obtained a rear view (clearly the witness Abberline had in mind in 1903). It really isn’t surprising that someone like Lawende be accorded more investigative focus, especially in terms of suspect identity efforts, than Long.

    Best regards,
    Ben

  • #2
    'FAO', 'foreign', 'witness'...Is this code for FAO Schwartz?

    By the way, what's the source for that Abberline quote about foreign witnesses only seeing suspects from the rear?

    Yours truly,

    Tom Wescott

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    • #3
      Hi Tom,

      It's from the 1903 Pall Mall Gazette interview with Abberline.

      "All agree, too, that he was a foreign-looking man...

      ...They, however, state that they only saw his back"

      On the surface, this would appear to exclude Lawende too, but other references to P&O caps assure us that he remained very much in the frame, which we know he was. The observation that "all agree" that the killer looked foreign was possibly in recognition of the fact that Lawende had been used in an attempt to identity a Jewish suspect.

      Best regards,
      Ben

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      • #4
        Hi Ben,

        It seems he was referring to PC Smith and Mrs. Long. Interesting how he'd discounted Schwartz, who most certainly claimed to have seen more than the back of his man.

        Yours truly,

        Tom Wescott

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