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Old 10-30-2017, 08:11 AM
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I've considered the killer being eliminated by some local Godfather for some time........
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Old 10-30-2017, 08:14 PM
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I think it by no means improbable. As a result of the Ripper's activities, the East End was swarming with policemen, and the young toffs with money, the ones who'd normally patronize the prize fights and gambling dens, were being treated with suspicion by the locals, and in some cases chased and roughed up. This was bad for business.

Add to that the fact that John McCarthy, Mary Kelly's landlord, is believed by many to have been a major figure in the underworld. Whether or not Kelly was his prostitute, butchering her on McCarthy's own premises would not have best pleased him.

Consider as well how rapidly the excitement died down after the Kelly murder. The Ripper had gone as much as a month previously between killings, but now within a few weeks after the Kelly murder the extra policemen had returned to their regular duties, and much of the East End seemed to just accept that the Ripper scare was over.

I would not be at all surprised to learn that McCarthy and his associates decided that things had gone too far, called in their favours, found out who Jack was (if they didn't already know), and arranged for him to meet a bad end. I doubt if the police would have looked too closely into the matter, even if they knew exactly what had happened.
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Interesting idea. Certainly possible.

Only problem is the underworld has a hard time keeping secrets like this. One of them gets drunk and boasts how he and his boys killed Jack the Ripper, gossip spread etc etc. I think we would hear some form of rumours from this.

But yeah, Jack suddenly stopping is one of the biggest mysteries in this case. Because many criminal profilers admit, a person who commits these type of crimes rarely just stop.
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Interesting idea. Certainly possible.

Only problem is the underworld has a hard time keeping secrets like this. One of them gets drunk and boasts how he and his boys killed Jack the Ripper, gossip spread etc etc. I think we would hear some form of rumours from this.

But yeah, Jack suddenly stopping is one of the biggest mysteries in this case. Because many criminal profilers admit, a person who commits these type of crimes rarely just stop.
I agree. This would not have remained a secret, in fact in time it would have been something to brag about.." I heard that my Da and some of his mates did old Jackie in themselves. Rid the East End of the monster."
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I've considered the killer being eliminated by some local Godfather for some time........
The first time I read about Jack was in a "mystery book" from Reader's Digest.
They claimed his body was found in the Thames, and was killed by vengeful prostitutes.
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Old 11-04-2017, 08:14 AM
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Yes Jack was caught by the London underworld. The local bad boys caught the blaggard! Then they all had a go at the chappie sticking him with steely steel knives, just as in "Murder on the Orient Express" starring Kenneth Branagh as Dr. Tumblety.

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have to agree that although a plausible theory, just cannot see how it would have been kept a secret
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It's an interesting idea, but making it into a workable theory would be tricky, not least because if members of any kind of underworld were responsible, they would, by their nature, be making an effort to cover their tracks and hide the evidence of their murder.

This crops up regardless of if you think the Jewish community hid suspect X, the Masons hid Gull, or criminals made an unknown soul vanish.

If we hear about it, it will be through folk tradition. We will hear rumours that somebody tracked down the Ripper, and whispers that they were done away with. I would worry though, that such stories only choose to remember some aspects of events. For a starter, the story would be that the guy who was taken are of was Jack the Ripper. Whatever evidence there may, or may not, have been, then by golly, that was the guy. If there was any way of checking that, we would be exceptionally fortunate, but more likely, we would only ever be able to say "they got rid of somebody they believed to be the Ripper".

After all, the kind of people who tend to share stories, are the ones who are going to want to believe that version. Take, for example, how some people talk about certain gangsters from more recent times, as honourable men who kept law and order, and were only ever violent against other criminals who definitely deserved it. It may be part of the picture, and part of how they saw themselves, but from slightly different points of view, the picture is a lot less flattering.

That is not to say the idea is impossible, just... that even the best detective work will likely, unless blessed with exceptional luck of other evidence, fall a long way short of certainty (which, to be fair, is true of all suspects, given the nature of the limitations of evidence available so long after the fact).
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