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Old 09-14-2011, 10:26 PM
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Just how common is the last name Kidney?

For those with long memories and tenure on the boards, there was the hoaxer Arfa Kidney and his photograph of Aberline.

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Old 09-14-2011, 10:42 PM
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Hi Tom -I just read your article/dissertation and thought it one of the best written, and best supported, bits of writing that I've had the pleasure to read in Ripper Land.

Two bits leapt out at me though -you claim that that one example of Liz lying, was her claim to having a deformed palate. Garry Wroe cleaned up the photo of Liz dead in the morgue, and she clearly had a deformed lip. This coralated with Neal Sheldon's statement that Liz was known as 'Old Mother Gum' because she had a deformed lip. Liz was clearly born with this deformity (and it couldn't have been caused by anyone putting their foot in her mouth as she escaped from The Princess Alice), but there was clearly 'some' truth in her assertion.....ok a 'palate' isn't a 'lip' -but she did have a deformed mouth.

The second bit of interest to me was :

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Coroner: Did you see her during that three months?
Tanner: Yes, frequently; sometimes once a week, and at other times almost every
other day.
Coroner: Did you understand what she was doing?
Tanner: She told me that she was at work among the Jews, and was living with a
man in Fashion Street
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This exchange is very revealing, and is also quite important as it is coming from a woman who had known Stride for six or more years and had recently been spending much time with her
I have always thought that that the reason that Liz and Kate were targetted
was that they were soliciting for clients attending Jewish Clubs, the night of their deaths. The Statement about 'at work among the Jews ' (which I take as prostituting herself for jewish clients), and the mention of Fashion Street by both Liz and Kate...where there was a Synagogue....certainly gives food for thought.
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RubyRetro,

I have always thought that that the reason that Liz and Kate were targetted was that they were soliciting for clients attending Jewish Clubs

In Liz'a case the "work among the Jews" reference almost assuredly refers to her doing odd-job cleaning work for Jewish families, even as she did in Sweden. Hence her supposed ability to speak Yiddish that was learned on the job in Stockholm.

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This is probably not relevant at all but I have read of Jewish families employing gentiles to perform certain tasks for them on the Sabbath since there were many things they were forbidden to do. Apparently, the young Elvis had such a Saturday job with a Jewish family in Memphis.

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Steven,

Yes, the so-called shabbos-goy who would do all sorts of tasks on the Sabbath denied observing Jews, like starting fires and the like.

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As an add on, and something that's always intrigued me, Eddowes was initially identified as 'Pheobe the Jewess' in some early news editions.

A possible connection?

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Old 09-14-2011, 11:24 PM
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Thanks for confirming that, Don. Didn't know he/she was called the shabbos-goy. Who says religion is crazy?

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I've read many of Tom's articles and I think this is one of his best.

This has been discussed before, but it has been awhile, so perhaps some of the members who think Kidney may have been Stride's killer would like to comment upon Tom's take on this.
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RubyRetro,

I have always thought that that the reason that Liz and Kate were targetted was that they were soliciting for clients attending Jewish Clubs

In Liz'a case the "work among the Jews" reference almost assuredly refers to her doing odd-job cleaning work for Jewish families, even as she did in Sweden. Hence her supposed ability to speak Yiddish that was learned on the job in Stockholm.

Don.
How is it possible that you can definitely assert that "at work among the Jews" can only mean that did housework for them ? She was a Prostitute
(and I think that Tom's article makes that clear), and she did do cleaning.

I will grant you that I might well be making a false assumption over that quotation : it could mean either, infact.

"at work among the Jews" might mean either 'housework' or 'prostitution' -we can't know for sure.
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:11 AM
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As an add on, and something that's always intrigued me, Eddowes was initially identified as 'Pheobe the Jewess' in some early news editions.

A possible connection?

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Fascinating ! ...I don't know anything about this very strange (given that Eddowes was such a chirpy english sparrow) story...what is the reference ?
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