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  • 'H' Division Fixed Points 1888

    Apologies if these have been apologised before, but I haven't seen them:

    "The under-mentioned places are appointed as fixed points where a police constable is to be permanently stationed from 9pm to 1am. In the event of any person springing a rattle, or persistently ringing a bell in the street or in an area, the police will at once proceed to the spot and render assistance.

    H or Whitechapel Division

    Ben Jonson-rd and White Horse-st, Stepney, junction of
    Brick-la and Bethnal-green-rd, junction of
    Christian-st and Commercial-rd, end of
    Church-st, Wapping
    Columbia-rd, Bethnal Gn, corner of Hassard-st
    Commercial-rd-east, corner of Bromehead-st
    Commercial-st, Spitalfields, corner of Thrawl-st
    Flower and Dean-st and Brick-la, Spitalfields, end of
    George-yd, Hight-st, Whitechapel, end of
    G.E. Ry., High-st, Shoreditch, front of
    Great Garden-st and Whitechapel-rd, opposite end of
    Hanbury-st, cor of Deal-st, Mile End New Town
    Hare-alley, High-st, Shoreditch, end of
    Hermitage-br, Wapping
    Leman-st, Commercial-st and Hight-st, Whitechapel, junc of
    New Gravel-la-br, London Docks *
    Old Gravel-la-br, London Docks *
    Ship-alley & St George's-st-east, south end of
    Shoreditch Church
    Spencer-st and Watney-st, St. Georges East, corner of
    Spitalfields Church
    Stepney ry-stn, Commercial-rd-ea
    Upper East Smithfield, principal entrance London Docks
    Warner-pl and Hackney-rd, cor of
    Wells-st, Whitechapel, opposite Sailors' Home,
    Whitechapel Church
    White Horse-la and Mile End-rd, junction of

    *A constable is stationed at each of these points from 3pm to 7am."

    Regards, Bridewell.
    I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

  • #2
    So Stride was the only one of MacNaghten's 'five and five only' victims to be killed (just) before the fixed point men were stood down.

    Regards, Bridewell.
    I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
      Apologies if these have been apologised before, but I haven't seen them:

      "The under-mentioned places are appointed as fixed points where a police constable is to be permanently stationed from 9pm to 1am. In the event of any person springing a rattle, or persistently ringing a bell in the street or in an area, the police will at once proceed to the spot and render assistance.
      We read elsewhere that when on point duty the constable is not allowed to leave for any reason.


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      Regards, Jon S.

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      • #4
        so a policeman was stationed on Hanbury street ?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jason View Post
          so a policeman was stationed on Hanbury street ?
          I believe Holland, upon the discovery of Chapman, informed this fixed point PC who pointed him towards Commercial Street station. I think Holland complained of this at the inquest.

          Monty
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          • #6
            George Yard

            I thought "George-yd, High-st, Whitechapel, end of" was quite interesting as, according to Many Ann Connelly Martha Tabram went up George Yard with her soldier at 11.45pm. Do we know if she did so from the High Street end or from Wentworth Street?

            Regards, Bridewell.
            Last edited by Bridewell; 11-27-2012, 09:53 PM. Reason: correct spacing
            I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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            • #7
              The attendance at a fixed point was subject to the PCs decision as to the seriousness of any demand made upon him to leave it. It may be that a report of a body in the street was not, in the PCs estimation, sufficient reason to abandon the point. After all it wasn't going anywhere.

              Fixed points were also manned subject to the strength of a relief parading. If there were insufficient officers available then Patrols (as opposed to beats)followed by Fixed Points if necessary would be abandoned for that shift.

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              • #8
                If fixed points were manned til 0100.......How was there one after 0500 in the Hanbury St case....?

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                • #9
                  Good Point

                  Originally posted by Steve S View Post
                  If fixed points were manned til 0100.......How was there one after 0500 in the Hanbury St case....?
                  Hi Steve,

                  My source was/is Dickens's Dictionary of London 1888 which gives the fixed point times as 9pm to 1am. I'm wondering if the times were extended through the night during the Autumn of Terror. Having said that, Pc Roadnight's point is well made. I recall reading that, if a fixed point officer had to leave his post for any reason, he was replaced, until his return, by the first police officer to arrive at the point and find it unmanned. I'll try and locate where I read that.

                  Regards, Bridewell.
                  I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                  • #10
                    Thank you for posting this up, Bridewell.

                    In the Chapman case, the police officer who Mr. Holland found was on duty at Spitalfields Market. The corner of Hanbury & Deal was several blocks in the opposite direction. As best I know there were four (4) instances where Fixed Points came into play in the murder series. (click here)

                    Roy
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                    • #11
                      Does anybody know which church is meant by "Whitechapel Church" and where exactly it was? Was it St Mary Matfelon? Not being local to the area, and knowing that some of the street names have changed since 1888, I'm struggling to pinpoint it.

                      Regards, Bridewell
                      I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
                        Does anybody know which church is meant by "Whitechapel Church" and where exactly it was? Was it St Mary Matfelon? Not being local to the area, and knowing that some of the street names have changed since 1888, I'm struggling to pinpoint it.

                        Regards, Bridewell
                        Was it perhaps the church on the corner of Whitechapel Road & Union St on the 1894 map?

                        Regards, Bridewell
                        I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                        • #13
                          Hi Colin

                          I have these:

                          123H -On the 19th April 88 was on duty at a fixed point in Broad St.
                          349H - At midnight on 1st Nov 91 was on fixed point duty near Nightingale Lane.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bridewell View Post
                            Was it perhaps the church on the corner of Whitechapel Road & Union St on the 1894 map?

                            Regards, Bridewell
                            That's correct Colin (Whitechapel High St. & Union), its also known as St Mary's

                            ...
                            Regards, Jon S.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                              That's correct Colin (Whitechapel High St. & Union), its also known as St Mary's

                              ...
                              Thanks, Jon. If the killer of Elizabeth Stride went north after the murder he must have run into a few of London's finest on Commercial Street.

                              Regards, Bridewell.
                              I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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