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Old 02-23-2018, 02:51 PM
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Hi Jerry.

The Goad Plans were drawn up by an American company, so used American terms.

The Marshall case identified the upstairs room above room 13 as on the first floor, which is correct. Room 13 was beneath it on the ground floor.

The Goad Plans make no reference to "Ground Floor" anywhere - its not an American term, so in their plans room 13 was on the first floor, Marshall's room above is on the 2nd floor.

It is bemusing why the use of foreign terminology was permitted on British plans, but as I demonstrated, we also see American spelling for some words within those plans.
So, we just need to recognise this, and keep it in mind when using those plans.

I wouldn't have fancied reading through nearly 800 posts either...
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Hi Jerry.

The Goad Plans were drawn up by an American company, so used American terms.

The Marshall case identified the upstairs room above room 13 as on the first floor, which is correct. Room 13 was beneath it on the ground floor.

The Goad Plans make no reference to "Ground Floor" anywhere - its not an American term, so in their plans room 13 was on the first floor, Marshall's room above is on the 2nd floor.

It is bemusing why the use of foreign terminology was permitted on British plans, but as I demonstrated, we also see American spelling for some words within those plans.
So, we just need to recognise this, and keep it in mind when using those plans.

I wouldn't have fancied reading through nearly 800 posts either...
Thanks Wick,

The thing that I question about Goad using Canadian/American terms is the plans were not sold to the public. They were hired out in atlases to organizations such as insurance companies and local authorities. Wouldn't that be confusing to the local insurance companies to use American terms for GF and 1st floor?Also, Goad uses his London address on Crouch Hill for the maps and the keys.

I also noticed in post #51 you used a blue circle to show a 1st floor door which you say means the GF. If you look you will see a passage from whatever Row that is to the main street to the north. Wouldn't it make sense that there was an interior door above the passage on the 1st Floor (British) leading from #60 to #62 above the passage?

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I also noticed in post #51 you used a blue circle to show a 1st floor door which you say means the GF. If you look you will see a passage from whatever Row that is to the main street to the north. Wouldn't it make sense that there was an interior door above the passage on the 1st Floor (British) leading from #60 to #62 above the passage?
Hi Jerry.

Please look at the next post on that same page, post 53.
http://forum.casebook.org/showpost.p...9&postcount=53

The first lines in the left column advise the reader:
"1. 1 1/2. 2. 2 1/2. etc. are stories in height counting from level of ground"
[Note: "Stories" is the Amercian spelling for the British, "Storeys"]

That notation confirms the the use of "1st" as meaning Ground Floor.
Level 1 on the level of the ground, is the ground floor.
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