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Old 11-09-2017, 12:42 PM
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Default Was Ernest Dowson Jack the Ripper?

Does anyone have a copy of Ripperana #29 (1999) which contains Martin Fido's article about the poet Ernest Dowson as Jack the Ripper? Having just published a book on Francis Thompson, a poet and similar suspect, I'd like to look at Martin's article but can't find a copy for sale anywhere.
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Old 11-09-2017, 01:05 PM
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It's bad enough having one famous poets' legacy dragged through the mud, let alone another.
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Does anyone have a copy of Ripperana #29 (1999) which contains Martin Fido's article about the poet Ernest Dowson as Jack the Ripper? Having just published a book on Francis Thompson, a poet and similar suspect, I'd like to look at Martin's article but can't find a copy for sale anywhere.
what? you mean his cohen/Kaminsky/Kozminsky theory wasn't convoluted enough for you? lol. JK
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I had to look up Dowson; he must not be as well known here in the States as Thompson is. Seems he was a bit "decadent", surely.
Can't help with the article, but it might be archived at the magazine's website.
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Old 11-10-2017, 04:01 AM
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Hi Simon,

I don't still have a copy but, if it helps, here are some notes on Dowson that I have compiled over the years.

The poet Ernest Dowson was born in August 1867. In March 1888, he abandoned his studies at Oxford to supervise Bridge Dock on the Thames at Limehouse, owned by his father. He resided in the East End at the time of the murders. In November 1889, he began courting eleven-year-old Adelaide Foltinowicz who served at her father’s restaurant in Sherwood Street, London. She married a tailor called August Noelte and died from a botched abortion on 13 December 1903.

Dowson’s father died from an overdose in August 1894 and his mother hanged herself six months later. He then spent some time in France and translated French texts. He died, from alcoholism in Catford on 23 February 1900.

Dowson was tentatively identified with a man described by journalist Robert Thurston Hopkins. This man, who Thurston Hopkins called “Moring,” was a poet and, allegedly, friends with Mary Jane Kelly. He frequented various taverns and was addicted to opium, being disowned by his father for that reason. The father was a prosperous tradesman in the East End. Thurston-Hopkins read an old newspaper report about Hutchinson’s sighting and saw similarities with the poet’s description but could not imagine a man of such gentleness committing the crimes. Martin Fido noted discrepancies between Hutchinson’s sighting and the description of Mr Moring. It is unclear where Thurston-Hopkins obtained his information about Mary Kelly’s friends and he did not describe “Moring” as a suspect.

In an appendix to Dowson’s published letters Thurston-Hopkins described how he and Dowson spent several evenings in a pub called The Bun House during the late 1890s when Hopkins was studying at University College. Dowson always carried a revolver. When walking the streets one night they were chased by a strange figure carrying a Gladstone bag. Later Dowson’s landlady reported that a lodger named Lazarus had been found dead in his bed, with a Gladstone bag that contained mounds of earth.

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And on this is it posited the question is he the ripper?

Good lord.
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Discussion here :

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I have been faithful to thee Mary Kelly in my fashion!

Ah, for those days of wine and roses, and blood....

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Old 11-14-2017, 05:29 AM
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Thanks, Pat.

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Old 11-14-2017, 05:30 AM
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Thanks, Paul.

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