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Old 11-27-2016, 06:28 AM
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"No. History shows that it has not been possible. So I can not postulate the impossible and say that something which did not happen happened and therefore was possible."

Your logic is simply abysmal Pierre. Look:

No. History shows that it has not been possible.

True but incomplete: History shows that it has not yet been possible.

So I can not postulate the impossible

There is no impossibility. Just because something has not yet happened does not make it impossible, and we are allowed to hypothesize. This is infantile reasoning, Pierre. Before you came along and solved the case "History showed that it had not been possible" to solve it. That did not mean that it was impossible, it just hadn't happened yet.

and say that something which did not happen happened and therefore was possible.

So are you really saying that anything that has not yet happened is actually impossible? Things that have not yet happened are literally impossible and can therefore never happen?
You try to make a total generalization from my statement that:

History shows that it has not been possible (to discover definitive proof of the man's identity without discovering a motive).

You can not use this particular fact to make total generalizations about "things that have not yet happened", since

1. this statement is a statement about the particular historical case of Jack the Ripper. It therefore says nothing about "things...".

2. It is an historical fact that the case is not yet solved.

3. It is an historical methodological fact that the motive explanation is a criterion for writing idiographic history about individuals.

4. Without such an explanation a history about Jack the Ripper will not be written. Other histories may be written, but not a history which explains why someone was a killer.

5. What you will have instead are causal explanations and functional explanations. Read my post about the problems inherit in these two types of explanations and you may realize what sort of history they are sufficient for.

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Of course you don't believe that. You are many things, but you are probably not entirely stupid.
And you, what are you? Are you a judge of what people are? In what position?

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It's just another example of the contortions into which you will pathetically
Using the word "pathetically" will not help you.

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twist yourself
As you may see, there are strong reasons for demanding that idiographic history has a motive explanation. As you may see also, I am not "twisting" myself, but centuries of historians have known this, whereas you do not understand it but still believe that you know better than the historians.

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in order to avoid engaging with a simple and perfectly possible hypothetical scenario which demonstrated that your latest pompous edicts were in fact fundamentally illogical and incorrect.
The "pompous edicts" is plain simple historical method.

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One day you'll maybe learn that mature people admit mistakes, cheerfully. It's the mark of a juvenile to tie themselves in knots in order to avoid admitting they were simply wrong.
The judge again, now postulating the two groups "mature people" and "juvenile(s)". The first group is of course yours, the second mine.

I am not interested in those groups in any other way than as a sociologist, noting that you use symbolic violence when you are not capable of understanding ordinary historical methods.

I would really appreciate it if you could consider the fact that just because you know nothing about history, it does not mean that historical methods do not exist.

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What an *******. Grow up.
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Regards, Pierre
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Old 11-27-2016, 12:52 PM
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Sorry Pierre, I started to read but your prose is so mind-numbing I actually stopped reading about a third of the way through.

Until you share your suspect, motive, and sources I see little point in you.
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