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Old 08-06-2017, 06:20 PM
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Herlock, I too think Robert Paul makes a better suspect for at least the Nichols murder than Charles Lechmere, and I've mentioned it before.

Consider-- Paul seems to have lied a bit to the magazine people, making his part in the discovery more important than it may have been in reality;

Also-- he didn't come forward to the inquest of his own accord, but had to be tracked down by the police and brought in.

Granted, we can't really link him to the other murders-- except that he lived in Hanbury Street.
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:23 PM
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Herlock, I too think Robert Paul makes a better suspect for at least the Nichols murder than Charles Lechmere, and I've mentioned it before.
Well now, that makes it all the more relevant.

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Consider-- Paul seems to have lied a bit to the magazine people, making his part in the discovery more important than it may have been in reality;
People never toot their own horn a bit, do they? Don't dare read any personal memoires.

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Also-- he didn't come forward to the inquest of his own accord, but had to be tracked down by the police and brought in.
And yet he was interviewed by the press soon after the murder where he gave his exaggerated account wilfully. Yet, the police couldn't find him till a couple of weeks later because he was in hiding?


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Granted, we can't really link him to the other murders-- except that he lived in Hanbury Street.
Now that seals it. Didn't have to be on his route, it was next door.
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one of the points of the lechmere argument is that he used an alias at the coroner's inquest. in your op herlock the argument is that Jack the Ripper voluntarily offered his given name to the press a day after murdering Polly Nicholls.

i dont suspect lechmere, but he's more suspicious than paul.
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:29 AM
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Hi,
Its extremely dangerous, to have been a witness in the Ripper case, nearly 130 years later, you could become a leading suspect.
How about Cadosch for Annie Chapman, or Diemschutz for Stride, PC Watkins for Eddowes, or Hutchinson, Indian Harry, Mrs Maxwell, and residents of Millers court, for Mary Kelly...take your pick?
Its all rather silly.
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:37 AM
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Hi,
Its extremely dangerous, to have been a witness in the Ripper case, nearly 130 years later, you could become a leading suspect.
How about Cadosch for Annie Chapman, or Diemschutz for Stride, PC Watkins for Eddowes, or Hutchinson, Indian Harry, Mrs Maxwell, and residents of Millers court, for Mary Kelly...take your pick?
Its all rather silly.
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I think it comes from an overwhelming need to put a name to him.

Same reason for all the celebrity suspects.

Many people seem to have a real issue with it being Mr U. N. Known.
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:49 AM
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one of the points of the lechmere argument is that he used an alias at the coroner's inquest. in your op herlock the argument is that Jack the Ripper voluntarily offered his given name to the press a day after murdering Polly Nicholls.

i dont suspect lechmere, but he's more suspicious than paul.
Dunno.

Robert Paul's employer was just around the corner from where Annie Chapman was found dead.

Perhaps the double event was staged to draw suspicion away.

Hmmm ...... Robert St Devil ..... name fits ......
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Old 08-07-2017, 02:15 AM
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This argument would be more convincing if Paul was employed driving the equivalent of a 6x2 Kenworth W900 with a 16 liter engine generating 625 horsepower, with the Aerocab Flattop sleeper option.

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Old 08-07-2017, 02:20 AM
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Hi,
Its extremely dangerous, to have been a witness in the Ripper case, nearly 130 years later, you could become a leading suspect.
How about Cadosch for Annie Chapman, or Diemschutz for Stride, PC Watkins for Eddowes, or Hutchinson, Indian Harry, Mrs Maxwell, and residents of Millers court, for Mary Kelly...take your pick?
Its all rather silly.
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To be honest Richard these days it's dangerous even to have existed at the same time as the victims. Robert Mann, Albert Bachert, Lewis Carroll, Francis Thompson, Arthur Conan Doyle, Toulouse Lautrec.......the list goes on
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Old 08-07-2017, 02:25 AM
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one of the points of the lechmere argument is that he used an alias at the coroner's inquest. in your op herlock the argument is that Jack the Ripper voluntarily offered his given name to the press a day after murdering Polly Nicholls.

i dont suspect lechmere, but he's more suspicious than paul.
Hi Robert,

Fisherman did make the discovery of what I tend to call 'the name thing,' but I still say that CL didn't gain any advantage from it as he gave his actual address, 22 Doveton Street, at the Inquest . It's interesting to speculate why he used Cross instead of Lechmere but it would have only made me suspicious of him if he'd called himself Fred Smith of 37 Flower and Dean Street for eg.
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Old 08-07-2017, 02:28 AM
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I think it comes from an overwhelming need to put a name to him.

Same reason for all the celebrity suspects.

Many people seem to have a real issue with it being Mr U. N. Known.
I think your absolutely right GUT. The overwhelming likelihood is that the Ripper has yet to be named. It's just as likely that he never will. We've been searching for years and no one likes to fail.

Mr U. N. Known is the likeliest suspect. Hold on....you've cracked it
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