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Old 12-10-2016, 04:02 AM
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Hi GUT,

No, Iīm afraid not.

But Patrick S had forgotten a word.

He wrote "I have..." instead of "I think I have".

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I donīt know, to be honest. There are a number of things to weigh in.
Overall, I think we may be dealing with a planning opportunist; "I want to kill today, so letīs see what turns up", sort of.
Then again, it seems the killing itself was subordinate...
Thanks. Do you think she had recently finished with a punter when the killer met her in Buck's Row?
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Thanks. Do you think she had recently finished with a punter when the killer met her in Buck's Row?
Emily Holland met her up at Osborn Street around 2.30, and it would certainly not take an hour to reach Bucks Row from there; we are talking about a stretch of a kilometer, roughly speaking. So there was certainly time for a punter encounter before she met the Ripper.
I donīt think we should necessarily speak of the killer meeting Nichols in Bucks Row - as witnessed about by many of the participators of that nightīs drama, Bucks Row and the small adjoining streets were deserted and quiet. It would not be very profitable hunting grounds for a prostitute. Therefore, she may well have picked her client/killer up along Whitechapel Road, where there was prostitution traffick and where the punters would go to find women. That predisposes that Lechmere dropped down to Whitechapel Road looking for prey, a detour, but not a very big one.
Alternatively, Nichols had serviced a client in Bucks Row and said her farewells to him, staying put herself to brush up before doing the return trip to Whitechapel Road - at which time a carman passed through the street, picking her up...
The time frame is generous, and nobody came forward to testify about seeing Nichols after Emily Holland did, but as you know, many a married man would be hesitant to speak of trolling down Whitechapel Road, so all possibilities remain painfully open.

PS. This thread is called "Lechmere in Mitre Square" so we may need to move a discussion about Nichols elsewhere.

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Emily Holland met her up at Osborn Street around 2.30, and it would certainly not take an hour to reach Bucks Row from there; we are talking about a stretch of a kilometer, roughly speaking. So there was certainly time for a punter encounter before she met the Ripper.
I donīt think we should necessarily speak of the killer meeting Nichols in Bucks Row - as witnessed about by many of the participators of that nightīs drama, Bucks Row and the small adjoining streets were deserted and quiet. It would not be very profitable hunting grounds for a prostitute. Therefore, she may well have picked her client/killer up along Whitechapel Road, where there was prostitution traffick and where the punters would go to find women. That predisposes that Lechmere dropped down to Whitechapel Road looking for prey, a detour, but not a very big one.
Alternatively, Nichols had serviced a client in Bucks Row and said her farewells to him, staying put herself to brush up before doing the return trip to Whitechapel Road - at which time a carman passed through the street, picking her up...
The time frame is generous, and nobody came forward to testify about seeing Nichols after Emily Holland did, but as you know, many a married man would be hesitant to speak of trolling down Whitechapel Road, so all possibilities remain painfully open.

PS. This thread is called "Lechmere in Mitre Square" so we may need to move a discussion about Nichols elsewhere.
Thanks, Fish. I was trying to get a handle on how you believe the scenario to have played out. If Lechmere was a 'planning opportunist' as you say, this would seem to favour the second scenario you posited (Nichols is tidying herself up after a client in Buck's Row, when she runs into Lechmere). Although this seems a little too convenient for my liking. Chances are that her punter was probably the killer. If Lechmere was the culprit, I think he must have been trolling through Whitechapel Road when he picked up Nichols.

If you wish to take this discussion elsewhere, be my guest. Personally, I don't see a problem with a brief tangent.
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If you wish to take this discussion elsewhere, be my guest. Personally, I don't see a problem with a brief tangent.
Itīs just that it is nice to have thoughts about separate victims collected under their respective headings. There will always be some overlap, of course, but anyway...
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