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Maybe they've converted him
The way in which he castigated the Diary in this thread, perhaps he's floating in the Mersey. Only kidding by the way.
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If you haven't already read it go for 'Reinventing History' by Vincent Bugliosi. For me it's not just the best researched book on the assassination it's probably the best researched true crime book ever. It took him 20 years to do and he chases down every minute detail, every statement and every conspiracy theory. For me it's absolutely game over. It was Oswald working alone.
I agree 100% Herlock - that book is an amazing piece of work. Anyone who can read that and still believe in any conspiracy is someone who quite literally cannot and should not be reasoned with.
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Thanks for that I'll see if I can find a copy. Yes in my opinion it was Oswald as a lone assassin. I have Bugliosi's "Helter Skelter" which is excellent.

Smith's reasoning as to why Oswald could not have been officer Tippit's murderer is quite simply bizarre. He shows a photograph of officer Tippit's car taken shortly after the murder, and asks "whose is that coat on the back seat", insinuating that there was someone else in Tippit's car on the day he was murdered. Looks nothing like a coat to me. Apparently Jack Ruby entered the hospital where JFK had been taken after his murder, and planted a bullet on the trolley which had carried Senator Connelly. And it goes on.

Offers exceeding the sum of nothing, and less than the sum of 5p will secure the ownership of this book.
I love this old chestnut: before it was known how many bullets or fragments had been recovered the conspirators planted a bullet on the trolley: the only thing that could possibly have achieved is to make a conspiracy more obvious. Obviously: the more bullets that turn up, the less likely it is that Oswald's bolt-action rifle could've done all the shooting. For all they knew, that planted bullet alone could've completely exposed the conspiracy!
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Hi Henry/Observer,

The only problem with Bugliosi's book is that it's 1,500 pages or so. I may be wrong but I'd think that you might struggle to get it cheaply. Luckily I got it as a birthday present.

One of my favourite bits of conspiracy is about the fingerprints on the rifle. Conspiracy loons say that the Dallas Police never found Oswald's prints. Then they sent the rifle to the FBI who, hey presto, found prints! That's why you get the scene in the movie JFK (a film Bugliosi's calls 'a 3 hour lie') where you see someone pulling Oswalds arm from beneath a shroud to 'plant' fingerprints on the rifle. Bugliosi's just checked all the records and found that it was quite simply the other way around. Dallas Police found prints but they used the method where you place sticky tape over the area and lift off the prints. Unfortunately this often destroys the prints. They sent the gun to the FBI and it was them who couldn't find prints.
There's also a video which I think is still on YouTube where they held a mock trial. I think the guy defending was called Gary Spence. Bugliosi's was the prosecutor. He won of course.
I think Bugliosi's wrote a book on the OJ case too? Haven't managed to get that one yet though.
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I agree 100% Herlock - that book is an amazing piece of work. Anyone who can read that and still believe in any conspiracy is someone who quite literally cannot and should not be reasoned with.
Hi Henry,

A friend once asked me about it and I described it by saying that 'it makes Sugden's book on the the ripper look like a hastily written pamphlet!'

It's a pity he couldn't have a crack at the ripper but I doubt he's got another 20 years to spare!
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The only problem with Bugliosi's book is that it's 1,500 pages or so. I may be wrong but I'd think that you might struggle to get it cheaply. Luckily I got it as a birthday present.
Blimey, isn't that longer than the Warren Commission's report?
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I believe Vincent Bugoliosi has passed on HS.
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Blimey, isn't that longer than the Warren Commission's report?
It's definately not a 'light read' Joshua. It's interesting written though (if you're interested in the case of course.)
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You're right. 6th June 2015! How did I miss that? Don't recall it being on the news here? Maybe it wasn't?
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You're right. 6th June 2015! How did I miss that? Don't recall it being on the news here? Maybe it wasn't?
I'm quite active on a few Manson discussion sites. Bugliosi is not well respected by many students of the Manson case. He definitely played some shifty games during that case, and there are things in Helter Skelter that have been proven to be not quite true. But nevertheless I think he did an amazing job during that trial, and HS is still one of the most riveting true crime books you can read.
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