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Old 07-16-2017, 04:03 AM
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I think I will leave you to your party for now. Enjoy.
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Yes, it tells us that I have provided all the material it takes to show that you were barking up the wrong tree. I need not go there again, therefore. Old hat, consequentially.
Oh no it does not work like that.
You accuse others of abusing you and then will not back up those accusations.

So be it.

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Have you read up on where Maria Louisa Lechmere lived when Stride died, by the way?
I was aware of that, but as I don't believe that Stride was killed by the Ripper, it doesn't count for much in my estimation.
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Yawn.

Oh - now it REALLY shows how flustered I am by your brilliant criticism. Bugger!!
My point is proven by that response , the refusal to partake in meaningful debate very clear.


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Old 07-16-2017, 04:35 AM
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You know the exact answer to that question, Herlock. He lived in 22 Doveton Street, he worked at the Pickfords depot at Broad Street, the two simplest and fastest routes there were the Hanbury Street route and the Old Ontague Street route, both more or less equally timeconsuming. We know that he walked through Bucks Row at the night of the Nichols murder, he reasonably used it alwyas, since it was the only way through that made sense, and thereafter he would opt for the Hanbury Street route or the Old Montague Street route.
We do not know that he used either route on the occasions of the deaths of Tabram, Chapman and Kelly, but we know that it is consistent with where he lived and worked to suggest that he did. It is also probable that Tabram, Chapman and Kelly all died at roughly the time when he would have been en route to work

There was no cctv that caught him, and there is no evidence that puts him there. All there is is a totally logical suggestion that fits with what we know.

It was 1888. It is therefore a hell of a lot more than anybody could ask for. And it puts every other suspect in the shade by comparion. No wait, not in the shade - in total darkness.

It is a piece of circumstantial evidence that is breathtakingly interesting to anybody with an interest in the case, and a nail in the eye of the Lechmere naysayers.

And that is where it remains.
So we can say that CL, along with a thousand other blokes on there various ways to work, was in the general area of the 'killing ground' at roughly the times of the murders.

How is this a nail in the eye of the 'Lechmere naysayers?' CL is becoming the Frankenstein's monster of Ripperology! A lifeless corpse that you keep breathing life into by making statements such as the above one. No one has doubted that he could have been in the area. There's nothing breathtaking about it.
Looking at the times. Tabram was probably killed around 2.30. Kelly is debatable due to Maxwell and Eddowes was around 1.30. Chapman was 4.30 according to Phillips but could well have been later considering the evidence of Long and Cadosche. Was CL on flexi-hours?
You also see nothing strange about the idea of killing and mutilating on the way to work. 'I'm off to work love. Now, I must remember to buy a paper, get a packet of fags oh and kill and hideously mutilate a prostitute.'

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You've added another variable in the form of the smoking gun evidence, which is a far, far more significant indicator of guilt. It's the strength of the smoking gun evidence that's relevant, not the percentage of "ordinary men" who happen to be serial killers. Given the figures - and it's probably more like 0.00002% than 0.2% - the latter is nowhere near strong enough to be a remotely useful diagnostic tool.
Hi sam
We could look at it from a different angle and ask how many serial killers had apparently normal work and/or family? A great many of them.
His having this as any indication of whether he could be a serial killer or not is basically useless.
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Please don´t try and paint it out as if I am saying that all people, psychopaths or not, always follow the same pattern of behaviour.

I am saying what I have always said: That Lechmere´s behaviour, if he was the killer, is perfectly consistent with psychopathy.

I would very much warn against oversimplifying matters on my behalf and pretend that I was the one making the suggestion. It is unfair and unethical.
The problem is that you have to try and prove SECONDS.

Your theoretical point (an extremely short point!) in time consists of SECONDS.

That is the point when Lechmere hypothetically stands up when having killed a woman and Paul arrives.

That point is a theoretical point of SECONDS.

This problem is that you CAN NOT PROVE SECONDS in the past with the sources you have.

There is no way of measuring those SECONDS.

And still you want to show everyone that there was "simoultaneity" IN those seconds.

Impossible!

Therefore the time historical point does not exist. It can NOT BE HISTORICALLY ESTABLISHED.

It is just and idea!

But still you draw a lot from it. You BUILD on it, as if it was a proven point in time. When it is not.

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I'm currently reading David's Camden Town Murder Mystery.

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Highly recommended!
Hello David

I'm just over half way through it and I'm intrigued. All I've ever known about the case has come via the Sickert angle. As I would have expected you've given it the 'fine toothed comb' treatment. I also know nothing about the Islington case which I'll go for next. Just ordered Deconstructing Jack after reading your 'chats' with Mr Wood.

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Hello David

I'm just over half way through it and I'm intrigued. All I've ever known about the case has come via the Sickert angle. As I would have expected you've given it the 'fine toothed comb' treatment. I also know nothing about the Islington case which I'll go for next. Just ordered Deconstructing Jack after reading your 'chats' with Mr Wood.
Very good!

It's a little known fact that Simon pays me a small commission for every sale of his book, so I've having a great month.
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