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the rainham 1887 torso was found wrapped in canvas, and they said the pinchin torso was likely dumped with a sack. could this have been a canvas sack? same for the whitehall sighting. who would have large pieces of canvas or large canvas sacks?
Bakers, builders, grocers, chandlers, workhouses, hawkers, launderers... loads of people really. Canvas sacks were ubiquitous in those days, before the widespread use of of paper ones.
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Bakers, builders, grocers, chandlers, workhouses, hawkers, launderers...
...and large delivery companies.
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...and large delivery companies.
Amongst many, many, many other businesses. Sacking, whether bought, stolen or found, would not have been beyond the reach of any private citizen, either. Sacks were plentiful, ubiquitous and cheap.
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Ok what about pieces of canvas like the one the rainham torso was apparently wrapped up in and then tied? Were they just as common? Does the way the torso was wrapped and then tied up tell us anything? I'm unsure what exactly was used to tie the canvas in this case
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Amongst many, many, many other businesses. Sacking, whether bought, stolen or found, would not have been beyond the reach of any private citizen, either. Sacks were plentiful, ubiquitous and cheap.
I hope you don´t think that I am suggesting that sacks were exclusively found at Pickfords...? Or?
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packing case makers?
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packing case makers?
Yes, Insp Chandler covered Annie Chapman`s body with some sacking until the doctor arrived.

I can`t remember if he found this in the yard of no. 29 or from Bayley`s yard, a couple of doors away.
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I can`t remember if he found this in the yard of no. 29 or from Bayley`s yard, a couple of doors away.
It was James Kent who went back to the workshop at Bailey`s (n. 23) to fetch some canvas with which to cover Chapmans`s body.
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Yes, Insp Chandler covered Annie Chapman`s body with some sacking until the doctor arrived.

I can`t remember if he found this in the yard of no. 29 or from Bayley`s yard, a couple of doors away.
In his testimony he says he "obtained some sacking from one of the neighbours to cover the body"

This was most likely James Kent, the packing case maker who was alerted to the body by Davis. His testimony says that he
"then had some brandy, and afterwards went to the shop and got a piece of canvas to throw over the body. When he returned a mob had assembled. The inspector had arrived, and was in possession of the yard"

Most likely, the "shop" referred to was his workshop in Bailey's Yard.


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