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Default 1888 Chamber of Horrors in Whitechapel and the London Hospital

Greetings all,

Recently, I published an article on the Chamber of Horrors wax museum on Whitechapel Road, which displayed wax effigies of six of the Ripper victims (by Feb 1889), each model completed just after that particular murder and sometimes only hours after the event. Martha Tabram was the first to be displayed. Each night during the autumn of terror, crowds filled the streets so much so that it annoyed the surrounding businesses and the London Hospital across the street.

This occurred not only just hundreds of feet away from the Nichols murder scene, but it was also a stone's throw away from the London Hospital. If Jack the Ripper did visit this museum, he would not only be seeing his work immortalized, he would be seeing the audience gasping in terror. Is it a coincidence that the London Hospitcal was just across the street? There were associations between the hospital and the murders. For example, Ripper suspect Dr. Roslyn D'Onston was an inpatient at the London Hospital.

To me, there is a strong possibility that the killer visited this popular museum located so near one of the murders, especially when it showed off his work. Any thoughts?

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I think Jack the Ripper would be the sort of killer who would visit a wax museum showing wax effigies of six of the Ripper victims. I'd imagine visiting the museum would be like reliving the killings and give Jack some sort of a thrill.

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Greetings all,

To me, there is a strong possibility that the killer visited this popular museum located so near one of the murders, especially when it showed off his work. Any thoughts?

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Hi Mike,

It makes sense to me. I am aware that a decade earlier Charles Peace would visit the local police stations, wearing a fake "hook" for a hand, to look at the wanted posters describing him as wanted for the murder of Arthur Dyson at Bannercross. He also attended the trial of William Habron for the murder of Police Constable Nicholas **** (which Peace also committed). So why shouldn't the Ripper have visited the local Whitechapel Chamber of Horrors.

Besides Tabram and the Canonical 5 what other murders were being shown there (if you know). Henry Wainwright's murder (and dismemberment) of Harriet Lane in 1875 Whitechapel, perhaps?

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http://www.mernick.org.uk/thhol/whitesat.html

Is this the same waxworks mentioned here I wonder? I doubt it somehow this article dates from 1862

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Is this the same waxworks mentioned here I wonder? I doubt it somehow this article dates from 1862

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Hi Observer,

This is not the same waxworks museum. Old Man Cotton ran the one in 1862 and the Elephant Man was exhibited in this building in 1884. Five buildings west was the Chamber of Horrors museum, which began a few years prior to the Whitechapel murders. The biographer of the Elephan Man mistakenly believed the two were the same.

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Hi Mike,

It makes sense to me. I am aware that a decade earlier Charles Peace would visit the local police stations, wearing a fake "hook" for a hand, to look at the wanted posters describing him as wanted for the murder of Arthur Dyson at Bannercross. He also attended the trial of William Habron for the murder of Police Constable Nicholas **** (which Peace also committed). So why shouldn't the Ripper have visited the local Whitechapel Chamber of Horrors.

Besides Tabram and the Canonical 5 what other murders were being shown there (if you know). Henry Wainwright's murder (and dismemberment) of Harriet Lane in 1875 Whitechapel, perhaps?

Jeff
Hi John,

So true,


Hi Jeff,
The proprietor, Thomas Barry, lost a court battle in February 1889, and at that time there were six victims displayed. My guess is, that was it.

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Is this the same waxworks mentioned here I wonder? I doubt it somehow this article dates from 1862

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Hello, and thanks Observer.

As Benjamin West died in 1820, the portrait of "Dr. Benjamin Lincoln", the "President of the United States" shows the writer's lack of double checking his facts, as he seems to have confused three people.

1) Dr. Benjamin Franklin - the American Postmaster General, Scientist, Printer, Writer, and Patriot, was in Europe for many years in the 1760s and 1770s, and then from 1778 to 1783 in France specifically on his diplomatic mission. West, who was an American Tory, moved to England to continue painting (as did John Singleton Copley), but he may have done a portrait of Franklin.

2) General Benjamin Lincoln - who was taken prisoner when defeated in 1779 at the fall of Charleston by Lord Cornwallis and Sir Henry Clinton. He would be exchanged for a British officer, and would be given the honor of receiving the sword of surrender from British Brigadier General Charles O'Hara at Yorktown in 1781. He may have had his portrait done by West while a prisoner in Engalnd.

3) President Abraham Lincoln - He could not have been painted by West as he never went to Britain, and he was President from 1861 - 1865, long after West died. But the article was written in 1862, so the writer's confusion of names is understandable.

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The women were displayed in the basement and on the first floor was the Chamber of Horrors, which displayed the executions of the popular murderers of the day. My favorite was Henry Pranzini, who murdered three women Ripper style in Paris in 1887. Coincidentally, Nichols was murdered on the first anniversary of Pranzini's execution.

Sincerely,
Mike

p.s., Today there is a MacDonalds in the same building, which is on Whitechapel Road.
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Hi Mike,

Just wanted to say I really enjoyed this piece in the Rip.

Good work fella.


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Thanks Monty! I certainly enjoyed researching it.
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