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Old 10-28-2016, 07:45 PM
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Your last sentence is incomplete and misleading, Paul. Other than the public,s faltering confidence in Metro, he didn,t destroy anything. Well, possibly some evidence in Mary Kelly,s room, but not much more than that. And, we can,t say that he purely loved killing; tho, he may have enjoyed killing women.

Love and hate don,t necessarily reduce the impossibilities. It would only serve that Abberline would now have to chase after all of the women lovers too. Considering this number alongside the number of abusive men in 1888, he would be chasing after most of London. It,s an aspect of profiling that doesn,t work here.

Pierre can,t think that Jack the Ripper hated killing because Pierre compared him to a tiger. Tigers don,t hate killing. They may ,,love,, the hunt and eating, but not in human terms.



Holmes had his chance to catch Jack the Ripper. Sir AC Doyle was 58 and in London at the time of.
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Pierre can,t think that Jack the Ripper hated killing because Pierre compared him to a tiger. Tigers don,t hate killing. They may ,,love,, the hunt and eating, but not in human terms.
This doesn't make any sense to me.

Tigers don't kill for the love of killing, but because primeval instincts drive them to eat to survive and, for a carnivore, this involves killing.

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It could most emphatically been a case of hate - if all the victims tended to be narcissistic dolts who thought they were the only intelligent people on earth, that their vague methodologies of thought and perception were the only true ones, and that their so-called grasp of such subjects as science, history, and even early forms of sociology were the only true ones in the universe - and insisted on these views with all their "Johns", one fed up "John" could easily have switched into a hating "Jack". Indeed, thinking about such a situation, one almost could sympathize with it!

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I tend to visualise Jack's mind as a bit of a stew - everything chucked into the pot and you're never quite sure what will appear on each spoonful. There was probably more than one motive, and hate, or resentment or revenge - call it what you will - was one of the motives, perhaps the main one. I think it's worth remembering that he only killed women. Some people say that was because they were easily available. But there were other vulnerable groups - e.g. elderly male beggars, or children. Yet he leaves those alone.
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Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

How was it visible in the crimes?

What was the object for his hate?

Why was there hate?

Did the hate preceed every murder in some specific way?

When the murders started, how did hate influence this?

When the murders stopped, had the hate also stopped?

Or are there no signs of hate in the murder cases?

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Hatred, or more specifically Anger, is clearly seen in the remains of Mary Kelly. For one, its the first appearance of random slashing of a face, something almost always linked with crimes involving some form of passion. Love and Hate are equal opposites, but the line between them is fine.
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These women were the victims of the killer's own self-loathing.
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This doesn't make any sense to me.

Tigers don't kill for the love of killing, but because primeval instincts drive them to eat to survive and, for a carnivore, this involves killing.

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I don,t disagree, Helena. Tigers kill to eat to survive. Whether they prefer the taste of boar over elk or get a thrill from chasing down their prey is beyond my knowledge of tigers tho.

How do you have Hate entering ,the frame, Pierre? There,s no proof that he knew any of these women, so he had no genuine reason to hate any of them.

"doing (bad) things to survive" <- ????
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I don,t disagree, Helena. Tigers kill to eat to survive. Whether they prefer the taste of boar over elk or get a thrill from chasing down their prey is beyond my knowledge of tigers tho.

How do you have Hate entering ,the frame, Pierre? There,s no proof that he knew any of these women, so he had no genuine reason to hate any of them.

"doing (bad) things to survive" <- ????
Yes. Killing and mutilating unfortunates is a bad thing to do.
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I don,t disagree, Helena. Tigers kill to eat to survive. Whether they prefer the taste of boar over elk or get a thrill from chasing down their prey is beyond my knowledge of tigers tho.

How do you have Hate entering ,the frame, Pierre? There,s no proof that he knew any of these women, so he had no genuine reason to hate any of them.

"doing (bad) things to survive" <- ????
Well, nothing to suggest that he had a genuine reason to hate any of these women specifically - I could probably make an argument for him hating women in general though.

Then again, I could make an argument that gender isn't actually relevant to the crimes at all. It just so happened that women who were desperate enough to go into dark places with a 'strange' man while a serial killer was on the loose were easy pickings.

I could make an argument that no emotion whatsoever was required to commit these murders, and I'm sure that plenty of other people on here could do the same thing.

Equally, I could make yet another argument that he was entirely driven by hate, real or imagined.

Without a suspect, it's all a bit irrelevant though.
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