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Further to the point I was trying to make yesterday, isn't the fact that just 2 of the Canonicals were known to have been engaging in the type of business that facilitated the goal of the murderer/mutilator something that should be strongly considered?

We really don't know why Liz was in the passage, nor why Kate turned the opposite direction of John when leaving the jail, and we can see that Marys circumstances were much different than any previous Canonicals. We really have only 2 women who were known to have been soliciting...something which I believe is a key to these cases. Prostitutes, or Unfortunates prostituting for their bed, gave the random opportunistic killer 2 things....anonymity and privacy. I believe Pollys murder represents the first time he tries to free these demons that have been haunting him. He cant wait any more...and as a result he strikes before he has the secured privacy. He learns from this and is anxious to try again with more self control.

Summary...the man who killed the women while they solicited used their own economic vulnerability to get them alone. He didn't have to "act" really, he could just allow himself to be taken by the arm. Even a socially awkward man could have pulled that off.
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Reckon all five were after money.

Nichols and Chapman were most likely offered a bed for the night to get them off Hanbury Street.

After her companion left, Liz has entered the passage to receive her pay off.
She has been offered cashous,an astringent for her lower lip, and the killer has struck immediately.

If Kate was not locked up,she would have been there also.
Strongly suspect Frank Carter was a soldier she recruited as a safeguard.

Mary Kelly,as per the trainee nun's account,was the cause of it all.
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Could the Ripper have been a policeman or dressed as one?
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Could the Ripper have been a policeman or dressed as one?
In theory, yes, but I'm not sure there's anything at all to suggest that was the case.
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In theory, yes, but I'm not sure there's anything at all to suggest that was the case.
The oblique Abberline reference to a "peaked hat"?
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The oblique Abberline reference to a "peaked hat"?
the peaked cap is in reference to something that a sailor would wear, not a policemans hat.
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Hello Michael,

I just don't get the whole known to be soliciting thing. Did the prostitutes generally make an announcement before they hit the street or punch in with a time clock? Does engaging in the act of prostitution require the full intent to do so before they hit the street or would the choice be up to them at any given time once approached by a customer?

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I should add that prostitutes were their own boss so to speak. It is not like they were shop girls who could only work when the shop was open. Even if they had initially decided to not actively solicit that night there is nothing that would prevent them from changing their minds if they so chose, i.e., make an accommodation for a customer willing to pay a little extra. So the idea that if a woman was not actively soliciting then she could not be a Ripper victim simply does not add up.

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Hello Michael,

I just don't get the whole known to be soliciting thing. Did the prostitutes generally make an announcement before they hit the street or punch in with a time clock? Does engaging in the act of prostitution require the full intent to do so before they hit the street or would the choice be up to them at any given time once approached by a customer?

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The point here is cd, from the perspective of the available evidence, is that ONLY Polly and Annie said themselves that they were actively soliciting. No such evidence exists from any other Canonical, unless you give credence to Hutchinson. We don't know why Liz was there, nor do we know why Kate didn't go seek out John, in the opposite direction from that which she took.
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Not sure where "Polly and Annie said themselves that they were actively soliciting" that morning,or the previous night.

By coincidence both left their boarding houses around 1.40 am to "get some money".

Both were found dead in the vicinity of Hanbury Street,a short walk from the London Hospital.

Hmm.....
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