Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Main
   

Introduction
Victims
Suspects
Witnesses
Ripper Letters
Police Officials
Official Documents
Press Reports
Victorian London
Message Boards
Ripper Media
Authors
Dissertations
Timelines
Games & Diversions
Photo Archive
Ripper Wiki
Casebook Examiner
Ripper Podcast
About the Casebook

Most Recent Posts:
Maybrick, James: 25 YEARS OF THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE TRUE FACTS by Robert Smith - by John G 3 minutes ago.
Maybrick, James: 25 YEARS OF THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE TRUE FACTS by Robert Smith - by Mike J. G. 27 minutes ago.
Goulston Street Graffito: The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL - by Elamarna 35 minutes ago.
Maybrick, James: 25 YEARS OF THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE TRUE FACTS by Robert Smith - by Joshua Rogan 39 minutes ago.
Maybrick, James: 25 YEARS OF THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE TRUE FACTS by Robert Smith - by Mike J. G. 40 minutes ago.
Maybrick, James: 25 YEARS OF THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE TRUE FACTS by Robert Smith - by Mike J. G. 45 minutes ago.

Most Popular Threads:
Maybrick, James: 25 YEARS OF THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE TRUE FACTS by Robert Smith - (76 posts)
Goulston Street Graffito: The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL - (59 posts)
General Discussion: General Victoriana - (2 posts)
Conferences and Meetings: American Jack the Ripper - True Crime Conference, Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018 - (1 posts)
Shades of Whitechapel: Were Belle Elmore’s remains that proved she wasn’t related to her living relatives an - (1 posts)
Shades of Whitechapel: H.H. Holmes to be exhumed! - (1 posts)

Wiki Updates:
Robert Sagar
Edit: Chris
May 9, 2015, 12:32 am
Online newspaper archives
Edit: Chris
Nov 26, 2014, 10:25 am
Joseph Lawende
Edit: Chris
Mar 9, 2014, 10:12 am
Miscellaneous research resources
Edit: Chris
Feb 13, 2014, 9:28 am
Charles Cross
Edit: John Bennett
Sep 4, 2013, 8:20 pm

Most Recent Blogs:
Mike Covell: A DECADE IN THE MAKING.
February 19, 2016, 11:12 am.
Chris George: RipperCon in Baltimore, April 8-10, 2016
February 10, 2016, 2:55 pm.
Mike Covell: Hull Prison Visit
October 10, 2015, 8:04 am.
Mike Covell: NEW ADVENTURES IN RESEARCH
August 9, 2015, 3:10 am.
Mike Covell: UPDDATES FOR THE PAST 11 MONTHS
November 14, 2014, 10:02 am.
Mike Covell: Mike’s Book Releases
March 17, 2014, 3:18 am.

Go Back   Casebook Forums > Social Chat > Other Mysteries

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-07-2016, 10:30 AM
Joshua Rogan Joshua Rogan is offline
Inspector
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,295
Default The Body on the Moors

Another Moors Mystery;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/...b-c4fccd53dd24
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-07-2016, 02:25 PM
Mayerling Mayerling is offline
Superintendent
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Flushing, New York
Posts: 2,682
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
Actually fascinating mystery here. One minor point - in the section trying to link the death to recent cases of interest (Brady and Hinkley and the Moor Murders, the 1949 plane crash, the avalance), there was a reference to an unsolved murder of a father and son in the early 1800s. In my copy of Guy B. H. Logan's "Guilty or Not Guilty?" (London: Duffield, 1930), there is a chapter on this case: Chapter X, "The Bill-o-Jack's" Murder". Bill-o-Jack was the name of a wayside inn on the road between Greenfield and Holmfirth in Yorkshire, run by William Bradbury (whose father Jack Brackbury founded the inn years earlier) and his son Tom. The two were found murdered by William's granddaughter Mary on April 3, 1832 (they were last seen alive the previous day). Tom had seriously injured his leg falling down a gully while getting provisions, and was in no condition to defend himself and his father. They were bludgeoned to death. probably by an instrument like a hoe. The inn was plundered of money and other items of an unknown nature. It was assumed that more than one person was involved, William was still barely alive when found and managed to only say the word "Pats", or somethng that sounded like that to the doctor who was brought in, named Higginbottom (it was later suspected he may have meant a local named "Platt" who was suspected). A local alcoholic ruffian named Red James Bradbury had been arrested for poaching on the land owned by the two victims, and had boasted that Tom (who witnessed the poaching) would not live to appear against him. As a result he was arrested for the double murder with his son Joe. But the evidence was weak. Moreover Reuben Platt (the local whose name sounded like the weak "Pats" heard by the doctor) said he saw some Irish laborers seeking instruction to go on a route to Holmfirth passed the inn the night before - and there were such laborers in a nearby field. The result was that James and Joe Bradbury were acquitted. But public opinion condemned them anyway. The younger man left the district and Red James remained with his wife and children, but acted very circumspect from then on - including giving up drinking. Saddleworth Churchyard is where the two murder victims were buried together, and it has a memorable poem carved on the tombstone regarding the killings. Logan says he visited the area of the murders and the grave in 1899.

Jeff
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-07-2016, 03:22 PM
Robert Robert is offline
Casebook Supporter
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,643
Default



"His head was uphill and his legs were straight downhill - perfectly straight. His arms were across his chest.”


Does this sound to anyone like strychnine poisoning?
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-07-2016, 08:10 PM
Pcdunn Pcdunn is offline
Inspector
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Colorado, USA
Posts: 1,456
Default

Where were the convulsions?

Did someone else arrange his body afterwards to appear as if he had just lain down to nap? If so, was this an "assisted suicide"?

Yet, the man had no "life-threatening illness" according to the autopsy reports.

Is it a case of espionage or terrorism? How and why?

Fascinating story-- thanks for the link.
__________________
Pat D.
---------------
Von Konigswald: Jack the Ripper plays shuffleboard. -- Happy Birthday, Wanda June by Kurt Vonnegut, c.1970.
---------------
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-07-2016, 08:36 PM
GUT GUT is offline
Commisioner
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: I come from a land Down Under
Posts: 7,095
Default

A strange one for sure.
__________________
G U T

There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-07-2016, 10:18 PM
Rosella Rosella is offline
Chief Inspector
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,542
Default

Very odd. It reminds me a bit of the Talman Shud case, doesn't it, Gut, in which a man, never identified, was found lying on a beach as if asleep, in 1948. He was believed to have died from some form of poisoning, like this man, and like him, there were no identification pointers on the body, at all, no wallet, papers, clothing labels, nothing.

Sometimes people just want to go somewhere peaceful to die, though I have to say that strychnine poisoning, though speedy, would be quite unpleasant, and you'd think the body would be twisted and the facial expression tortured.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-08-2016, 02:49 AM
Premium Member
caz caz is offline
Commisioner
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5,344
Default

If not for the strychnine mystery I'd have guessed the man's aim was to lie down and let exposure to the elements do for him, given his unsuitable clothing and the unheeded warning about not getting back from the mountain in daylight. Could he have taken the poison when his body was already too cold and weak to respond to it in a way one might expect?

The return train ticket reminds me of poor Monty Druitt. Was it in case he couldn't go through with it? And was the strychnine for when he couldn't bear the cold any longer? Did the old leg injury give him intolerable pain?

What a sad story.

Love,

Caz
X
__________________
"Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov



Last edited by caz : 06-08-2016 at 03:07 AM.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-08-2016, 03:01 AM
GUT GUT is offline
Commisioner
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: I come from a land Down Under
Posts: 7,095
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosella View Post
Very odd. It reminds me a bit of the Talman Shud case, doesn't it, Gut, in which a man, never identified, was found lying on a beach as if asleep, in 1948. He was believed to have died from some form of poisoning, like this man, and like him, there were no identification pointers on the body, at all, no wallet, papers, clothing labels, nothing.

Sometimes people just want to go somewhere peaceful to die, though I have to say that strychnine poisoning, though speedy, would be quite unpleasant, and you'd think the body would be twisted and the facial expression tortured.
It does a bit. (Taman shud, I thought) also a rock band here in Newie, later to become The Sunsets, knew a couple of them. Nothing to do with the case, but first time the names jelled, Taman Shud means Ended or similar in some language, Egyptian maybe?
__________________
G U T

There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-08-2016, 03:07 AM
Joshua Rogan Joshua Rogan is offline
Inspector
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,295
Default

Yes, that was the first case that came to mind for me too; I wonder if they checked his coat for secret pockets? (If I recall correctly, the Persian words Tamam Shud were found on a piece of paper sewn into the coat lining of that body).

With regard to strychnine poisoning. I understand that it can cause severe muscle spasms and contractions before death, and the more the victim convulses, the more spasms are triggered. But, presumably, it's usually taken inadvertently or unknowingly. So I wonder if, having taken it on purpose and embraced death, it would be possible - using meditation, Jedi mind powers, etc - to remain calm and overcome the pain and the urge to writhe and twitch until the respiratory system shut down completely?
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-08-2016, 03:13 AM
Robert Robert is offline
Casebook Supporter
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,643
Default

I doubt it, Joshua, unless he was a Vulcan.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.