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Old 10-15-2016, 02:56 PM
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My own guess is that the gap in October 1888 is that "Jack" was carried away and did eat of the kidney ("kidne") he mentioned in that letter - which I do believe is genuine. It made him sick and he was in the hospital until November, furious that one of the victims was responsible for nearly killing him.
Hi Jeff,

Is there any data for that?

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Now based the insistence of Pierre that the events of 1888 were begun again later in 1889, I couldn't guess what the specific reason would be for that. In fact I even question if the later killings are by him. But if we agree they are, then in the interim history began to sweep "Jack" off the central pedestal of attention he craved. He relished the limelight, and found that AFTER the horror of Dorset Street, he had become "yesterday's news".
But donīt you think that an external event would be more important than a slow process of internally based "realization"?

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I feel we have to do a re-evaluation of the case, but by putting it inside a time frame. And I mean we have to think about how central the case is to the period of general events from 1885 through 1895. But I better explain this on my own thread instead of this one.

Jeff
Yes! And there is a time frame! It starts at an important point in time, it includes motives for the choice of dates, and it ends and starts again for importants reasons.

Well, and the period 1885-1895 is not of any specific biographical relevance but of course that is an interesting time period in the historiy of Britain.

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Old 10-16-2016, 03:34 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Yorkshire Ripper take close to a year off?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Yorkshire Ripper take close to a year off?
Hi Geddy,

I have never studied the Yorkshire ripper.

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Old 10-21-2016, 04:45 AM
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Of course you haven't, Pierre. Nobody whose specialisation focuses on the historico- judicial-methodological-socio-scientific would have had any reason to study one of the most judicially controversial and socially significant murder cases in modern European history.

People, why are you playing this fraud's games? Why are you doing his thinking for him? He's a great historian who has expressed his contempt for ripperologists many times, and believes that he is methodologically and ethically superior to the lot of you. Why not tell him to sod off and do his own thinking until he has something to offer in return?
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Of course you haven't, Pierre. Nobody whose specialisation focuses on the historico- judicial-methodological-socio-scientific would have had any reason to study one of the most judicially controversial and socially significant murder cases in modern European history.
Most historians have never studied that case.

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People, why are you playing this fraud's games? Why are you doing his thinking for him?
Wrong. I am doing my own thinking, Henry.

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He's a great historian who has expressed his contempt for ripperologists many times,
Wrong. I have no "contempt" for anybody. I do not subscribe to ripperology. That does not mean that I would hold any "contempt" for the individuals who are doing it. It only means I do not believe in the methods and products.

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and believes that he is methodologically and ethically superior to the lot of you.
Wrong. "The lot of you" that you are lying to here, are often well educated persons. You obviously think you are superior to them, since you put yourself in the position of lying to them and thinking they will believe your lies. Sorry Henry, but they are smarter.

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Why not tell him to sod off and do his own thinking until he has something to offer in return?
You are the one who should be told to "sod off" since you spread lies about others here in this forum.
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Most historians have never studied that case.



Wrong. I am doing my own thinking, Henry.



Wrong. I have no "contempt" for anybody. I do not subscribe to ripperology. That does not mean that I would hold any "contempt" for the individuals who are doing it. It only means I do not believe in the methods and products.



Wrong. "The lot of you" that you are lying to here, are often well educated persons. You obviously think you are superior to them, since you put yourself in the position of lying to them and thinking they will believe your lies. Sorry Henry, but they are smarter.



You are the one who should be told to "sod off" since you spread lies about others here in this forum.
You've spoken with authority as a historian many times, you've been asked by numerous posters to share one scintilla of evidence that you are qualified to do so. You never have.

You are a fraud. You are a liar. End of story.
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I've asked you a specific question on your unintentionally hilarious "major breakthrough" thread. As a historian you should have no problem answering it.
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Most historians have never studied that case.
How do you know? Have you got the figures of who and who has not studied the case?
I would imagine MOST historians have not studied the JtR case. How many Historians have there been?
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Pierre, you claim to be a historian. Is there any data for that?
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Hi GUT.

I think I read somewhere that there was a fair amount of fog in October 1888. Is that what you're alluding to?
That excuse, and the excuse that heightened police numbers, patrols and Vigilance Committees, are most often used to explain that lapse. What many do not consider is that the first 2 Canonical murders both occurred within 2 weeks, they were almost identically executed..(pardon the pun)...and both women acknowledged to acquaintances on the respective nights that they were actively soliciting. Both were also in compromised health situations....Polly was drunk, and Annie was ill.

Those 2 consecutive murders establish both a preferred methodology, victim type, and demonstrate that their killer acted again without much delay.

The people who discount these facts do so at their own disadvantage, assuming of course they are searching for a real killer not a phantom.
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