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Old 05-18-2016, 02:21 PM
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If there is a link between the murders / cases in the two time periods of 1888 and 1889, from Nichols to the Pinchin Street case, and that link is a serial killer and the same one too, why do we see an historical time gap from December to May, when no murders were performed?

What could have been the reason(s) for this gap, if we hypothesize that a serial killer is active from August to November 1888 and from June to September 1889?

Are there any known hypotheses about this issue? Is there, for example, such an hypothesis for Lechmere or any other person, which would be explanatory for the time gap that we are observing?

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Hi,

If there is a link between the murders / cases in the two time periods of 1888 and 1889, from Nichols to the Pinchin Street case, and that link is a serial killer and the same one too, why do we see an historical time gap from December to May, when no murders were performed?

What could have been the reason(s) for this gap, if we hypothesize that a serial killer is active from August to November 1888 and from June to September 1889?

Are there any known hypotheses about this issue? Is there, for example, such an hypothesis for Lechmere or any other person, which would be explanatory for the time gap that we are observing?

Kind regards, Pierre
Same reason as the gap in Oct '88 perhaps.

Not that I accept that it was one killer.
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Same reason as the gap in Oct '88 perhaps.

Not that I accept that it was one killer.
Hi GUT.

I think I read somewhere that there was a fair amount of fog in October 1888. Is that what you're alluding to?
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Hi GUT.

I think I read somewhere that there was a fair amount of fog in October 1888. Is that what you're alluding to?
Hah I've got no real idea why he stopped in October.

Or more accurately I've got about a hundred ideas but no proof to support them.
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Why would it need an explanation? Serial killers often take a few months off here and there.
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Why would it need an explanation? Serial killers often take a few months off here and there.
Like all of us they need a break.

Maybe he was on holidays, even went for a cruise.
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Are there any known hypotheses about this issue? Is there, for example, such an hypothesis for Lechmere or any other person, which would be explanatory for the time gap that we are observing?

Kind regards, Pierre[/QUOTE]

Several possible hypothesis (what is the plural of hypothesis ???):
* fear of being caught due to much greater police presence after the double murders. This may explain why Kelly was indoors
* JTR was not in London for the gap. Alternatively, JTR did not live in London but was visiting Lindon during months of the killings
* he had people staying with him
* he no longer had a motive (after Kelly) eg if his purpose was to humiliate Warren

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I definitely think that the October gap may well have been because of fog, extra police presence and patrols organised by groups like the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee. Of course, he also may have been ill, out of London, relatives getting suspicious etc. I don't think we're ever likely to know, but by the end of November his compulsion to kill again was definitely in motion once more.
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We can suggest various possible hypotheses for the suggested gap between 1888 and 1889.
Of course this assumes that Mackenzie was a victim of the killer, which there is some support for, and that the Torso's were also the work of the same hand, this while discussed much, is not proven or accepted by many at present as fact.

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1. The need to kill passed, and then returned.

This could apply if the killer was driven by strong inner urges. Such behaviour has been observed in other serial killers of the last 128 years.


2. The killer maintained a low profile after November.

This could apply if he had almost be caught, he may have believed he had been seen. The same idea could be applied for the gap in Oct 1888.


3. The killer left London and returned

This would suggest a degree of calculation and organisation, and appears to be the preferred hypothesis for Pierre.


4. The killer was incapacitated.

The killer may have had an accident or got ill, such has been suggested for the Oct 1888 gap.


5. The killer was temporarily detained either in a prison or a mental institution.

This could tie in with the statements of Cox and Sagar, who suggested the suspect they followed was placed in a private asylum, voluntary admissions were often of limited duration. however there is no evidence to support this at present.

Any of the above are possible. Some may suite the theories of some more than others, however one would also need to show a link to the cases in 1889.

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Why would it need an explanation? Serial killers often take a few months off here and there.
that is a very fair point

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