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Old 01-09-2017, 08:05 PM
Mary_Jane_Kelly Mary_Jane_Kelly is offline
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Default Any info on these women please?

Julia Venturney, lived at 1 Miller's Court (was this the same Julia who Mary let stay in her room before Mrs. Harvey?)

Maria Harvey, she stayed with Mary on November 5 and 6 then moved to another alley off Dorset Street. (Is this the Mrs. Harvey that Mary let live with her and caused Joe to leave her?)

Lizzie Albrook

Elizabeth Foster (seen drinking with Mary at the Ten Bells Pub).

Mary Ann Cox, lived at 5 Miller's Court.

Elizabeth Prater (lived in the room above Mary).


Any info on these women would be much appreciated, especially the Julia & Mrs. Harvey who stayed with Mary.
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There's plenty of info on Julia Venturney. She was around Millers Court for quite some time. She was born in 1840 and her parents were Richard and Charlotte Cooke. She "married " Anthony Ventorini and they had at least 2 children, Rosina 1864-1903 and Charlotte 1868 - 1885. Julia split from Ventorini and later took up with Henry Owen and was known as Lottie Owen. Both lived in Millers Court, and at one time actually in Mary's old room. They lived at 26 Dorset Street in the 1891 census. She can be found in census returns (eg I have her in 1851, 61, 71, 81, 91 and 1911 for sure). The Ventorini surname, though, can be found in several guises such as Ventreney, Montreney etc. Lottie Owen is much simpler (Lottie derived from Charlotte her mothers name). Julia was born 11th March 1840 and died 1st Feb 1914. This is some of the info I've found on her.
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Very interesting, I wonder if thats the same Lottie who was living in Mary's old room who was interviewed about Kitty Ronan's murder in millers court some years later (around 1909)?


An excerpt from the Interview done by Kathleen 'Kit' Blake Watkins.

"Millers Court was reached by a narrow passage under an arch reeking with fifth and crowded with women and children. Still residing there was Elizabeth Prater, who lived above Mary Kelly on the night of her murder, but was now living opposite. Elizabeth took Kit across the court to meet the current occupant of Mary Kelly's still blood stained room of number 13, a lady who went by the name of "Lottie". "I was her friend" said Lottie, speaking with difficulty because of a broken and battered nose given to her by a kick from her husband's heavy boot. "I was living further up the court then. She (Mary Kelly) says `I'm afraid to go out alone at night because of a dream I had that a man was murdering me. Maybe I'll be next. They say Jack's been busy in this quarter'. She said it with such a laugh ma'am that it just made me creep. And been sure enough ma'am she was the next to go. I heard her through the night singin' - she had a nice voice - "The violets grow on your mothers grave" - but that's all we 'urd". Lottie seemed to have no repugnance in sleeping in the room with its now blood blackened walls."
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Hi MysterySinger,

That's great research. You should consider updating the Casebook Wiki with this information. Super stuff!

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Mark
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Hi,
This is very good research we now know who Lottie was [ ?]..Julia one of Kelly's friends,
Regards Richard.
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Good work MysterySinger.
Ca you clear up one thing about Julia; was she a German, as reported by one or two papers, or is this a mishearing of char-woman, as reported by others?
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Very interesting, I wonder if thats the same Lottie who was living in Mary's old room who was interviewed about Kitty Ronan's murder in millers court some years later (around 1909)?


An excerpt from the Interview done by Kathleen 'Kit' Blake Watkins.

"Millers Court was reached by a narrow passage under an arch reeking with fifth and crowded with women and children. Still residing there was Elizabeth Prater, who lived above Mary Kelly on the night of her murder, but was now living opposite. Elizabeth took Kit across the court to meet the current occupant of Mary Kelly's still blood stained room of number 13, a lady who went by the name of "Lottie". "I was her friend" said Lottie, speaking with difficulty because of a broken and battered nose given to her by a kick from her husband's heavy boot. "I was living further up the court then. She (Mary Kelly) says `I'm afraid to go out alone at night because of a dream I had that a man was murdering me. Maybe I'll be next. They say Jack's been busy in this quarter'. She said it with such a laugh ma'am that it just made me creep. And been sure enough ma'am she was the next to go. I heard her through the night singin' - she had a nice voice - "The violets grow on your mothers grave" - but that's all we 'urd". Lottie seemed to have no repugnance in sleeping in the room with its now blood blackened walls."
Same Lottie yes.
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