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Old 05-20-2017, 09:48 AM
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Hello HS,

I just can't get too worked up about the GSG. Even if we could prove beyond doubt that Jack wrote it we would still have no idea what it means.

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Hi c.d.
I take your point. It's just an area that's always fascinated me.

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Old 05-20-2017, 09:50 AM
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That's why I favour the "dipped in a pool of Eddowes' blood" hypothesis to explain why that particular corner of the apron was wet with blood.
The point that I make though Sam is, why did he take it away with him? And why did he discard it ?

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Old 05-20-2017, 09:52 AM
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With regards to MJK not being the one in the room, how likely is it that Barnett, who shared a bed with her, misidentified her?

As far as a family member not coming forward, that assumes that she did have family. And that can also be turned around. If she had family and ran off without informing them why did they not report to the police that they had concerns about a missing family member at a time when young women were being murdered?

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I take your point. It's just an area that's always fascinated me.

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I understand too. It is a tantalizing clue.

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With regards to MJK not being the one in the room, how likely is it that Barnett, who shared a bed with her, misidentified her?

As far as a family member not coming forward, that assumes that she did have family. And that can also be turned around. If she had family and ran off without informing them why did they not report to the police that they had concerns about a missing family member at a time when young women were being murdered?

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I forgot to add that the same thing could be said about the family of the woman who was actually murdered in MJK's bed if true. Why did they not come forward to the police with their concerns?

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With regards to MJK not being the one in the room, how likely is it that Barnett, who shared a bed with her, misidentified her?

As far as a family member not coming forward, that assumes that she did have family. And that can also be turned around. If she had family and ran off without informing them why did they not report to the police that they had concerns about a missing family member at a time when young women were being murdered?

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I agree with you c.d. The simplest answer is usually the truth. You find a dead woman in Mary Kelly's bed in Mary Kelly's room. The person closest to her identifies the body as Mary Kelly (albeit under difficult circumstances). Mary Kelly occupied the room alone. Mary Kelly was seen and heard in Miller's Court the previous evening. Unless you have some preconception about a conspiracy what possible reason is there to suggest that the body isn't that of Mary Kelly? She was obviously estranged from her family and if they learned of her fate later on perhaps they just didn't want to have it known that there relative was an east end prostitute killed by Jack the Ripper.
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Regarding the MJK conversation, I think the reason given by people who doubt it was her is that given how bad the damage was, her identification could be made more difficult and somewhat hurried. It would also explain the sightings after she was supposed to be dead*.

Personally, I don't think there's a particularly strong reason to think it wasn't her. Barnett supposedly identified her using things like her hair, and I'd assume that even without seeing the faces of people I'm close to I'd be able to tell with reasonably certainty it was them. Mistakes can happen but this would require someone who looked very similar to MJK to also have known her... that seems like a big coincidence to me.

The fact that MJK's family wouldn't come forward doesn't surprise me that much. If she was estranged from them, it sounds like they may not even know where she was or care to confirm that it was indeed her. We don't have to look very far to see that this could be the case. Annie Chapman's sisters, for instance, don't seem to be mentioned much and it sounds like they weren't keen on getting mixed up in the investigation.

* This is then usually explained as MJK deciding to start over by letting everyone think she was dead. While that doesn't sound impossible, I wonder if that's very compatible with the same Mary Jane Kelly who was willing to put a strain on her relationship with Barnett to give her friends a place to sleep.
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With regard to Kelly's family, the Evening News contains the following;

14 Nov 1888
The funeral of the murdered woman Kelly will not take place until after the arrival from Wales of some of her relatives and friends, who are expected to reach London this evening. If they be unable to provide the necessary funeral expenses, Mr. H Wilton, of 119 High street, Shoreditch, has guaranteed that the unfortunate woman shall not be buried in a pauper's grave. Any person, however, who may be desirous of sharing the expense with Mr. Wilton can communicate with him. The remains, according to present arrangements, will be interred either on Thursday or Friday at the new Chingford cemetery.

15 Nov
The relatives of the murdered woman, who were expected yesterday, have not yet arrived. The funeral has been again postponed, and may not take place until Monday. Yesterday afternoon the remains were removed from the temporary coffin in which they have been lying at the Shoreditch Mortuary, and placed in a coffin of French polished elm and oak, with brass handles, in which they will be interred. Mr. McCarthy, the landlord of the deceased, offered to defray part of the cost of the funeral, but his offer was declined, sufficient funds for the purpose having already been subscribed.
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