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I have no idea how they arrived at that conclusion in 1888, especially when the kidney was incomplete to start with.

I think Dr. Saunders had the right of it:

"It is a pity some people have not got the courage to say they don't know. You may take it that there is no difference whatever between the male and female kidney. As for those in animals, they are similar, the cortical substance is the same, and the structure only differs in shape. I think it would be quite possible to mistake it for a pig's."
thanks Harry
but whats the context of his statement? did he examine the kidney? did he examine eddowes?
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but whats the context of his statement? did he examine the kidney? did he examine eddowes?
T H Openshaw did. And he opined that it was a human kidney from the left side of the body.
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T H Openshaw did. And he opined that it was a human kidney from the left side of the body.
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but whats the context of his statement? did he examine the kidney? did he examine eddowes?
He was asked his opinion of the Lusk kidney by the press. He was present at Eddowes' post-mortem examination and claimed that her right kidney was "perfectly normal" and had no sign of disease.

It was only the medico's opinion that the Lusk kidney was from a human female. They wouldn't have been able to determine that in 1888. You have to question how much their findings were influenced by the murder.
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He was asked his opinion of the Lusk kidney by the press. He was present at Eddowes' post-mortem examination and claimed that her right kidney was "perfectly normal" and had no sign of disease.

It was only the medico's opinion that the Lusk kidney was from a human female. They wouldn't have been able to determine that in 1888. You have to question how much their findings were influenced by the murder.
thank Harry.
That's a good point. But I think you also have to take these general type statements from doctors (or anybody for that matter) with a grain of salt.
was their politics involved, rivalries, personal pride or gain? again hes speaking to a reporter-feeling his oats a bit perhaps?
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Hi harry

got it-yes he had some strange encounters. and then there was tall irish guy who was inquiring about Lusks address at the shop.

I agree the crooks thugs and weirdos might have a thing against a vigilance committee, but would that type have access to a human kidney?

Ive never bought the idea that a human kidney could be easy to come by-even by a Medical student.
Hello Abby,

I imagine that if medical students were behind it that they would be smart enough to distance themselves from being identified. So all they had to do was to find some rough drunk and offer him a few drinks and some money to make inquiries.

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thank Harry.
That's a good point. But I think you also have to take these general type statements from doctors (or anybody for that matter) with a grain of salt.
was their politics involved, rivalries, personal pride or gain? again hes speaking to a reporter-feeling his oats a bit perhaps?
That's a possibility, Abby. The kidney will forever remain one of the many unknowns in the Ripper case. However, it was beyond the medicos at the time to establish the kidney as human, and Dr. Saunders had a valid point that a pig's kidney could've easily been mistaken for a human one.
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Dr. Saunders had a valid point that a pig's kidney could've easily been mistaken for a human one.
Indeed so. They are rather similar.
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thank Harry.
That's a good point. But I think you also have to take these general type statements from doctors (or anybody for that matter) with a grain of salt.
was their politics involved, rivalries, personal pride or gain? again hes speaking to a reporter-feeling his oats a bit perhaps?
It seems we're always looking for extraneous reasons why a person associated with some aspect of the murders said or did something that may contradict an opinion or position we hold. Here you opine that a doctor speaking to a reporter, espousing a position that may not support your opinion with respect the kidney is "feeling his oats". Thus, it carries less weight. This isn't a criticism of you. Just an observation of how we in the "Ripperology" game clutch to our beliefs until they're RIPPED from our cold, dead hands.
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It was only the medico's opinion that the Lusk kidney was from a human female. They wouldn't have been able to determine that in 1888.
Not until 1905, in fact, when the significance of the X and Y chromosomes was discovered.
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