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  • 1891 census BETHNAL GREEN POLICE STATION

    Sgt Arthur HALL
    PC Charles SLY
    PC Richard HAIGTER
    PC George MERIDETH
    PC William RUSSELL
    PC Tom ANDREWS
    PC John ALLEN
    PC David DANIELS
    PC Josepeh THOMPSON
    PC Martin M DONALD
    PC Charles PERBERTON
    PC Robert ELLICOTT
    PC Charles PLUMLEY

  • #2
    Interesting how so few bobbies where stationed there?

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    • #3
      I had intended to try and marry this up with the 1881 census, but I don't seem to be able it find it (458 Bethnal Green Road). I've done a little digging and confirmed that the station was an operation station as early as 1868?
      Last edited by The Station Cat; 04-25-2017, 08:05 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by The Station Cat View Post
        Interesting how so few bobbies where stationed there?
        Are these the ones who were lived/lodged at the station, or would there have been others with homes of their own?

        I'm interested, as I spent the first 9 years of my life in a police-house umbilically attached to a small police station.
        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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        • #5
          Hi SC

          You mustn't expect that everyone who was in the division slept at the police station. It was only compulsory for prisoners.

          For 1881, just search for Sophia Quigley.

          PS Haven't you missed out Gerald Ashman from 1891?

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          • #6
            OK Gareth, what were you in for?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Robert View Post
              Hi SC

              You mustn't expect that everyone who was in the division slept at the police station. It was only compulsory for prisoners.

              For 1881, just search for Sophia Quigley.

              PS Haven't you missed out Gerald Ashman from 1891?


              Working from the 1891 census that there were only 13 bobbies living in the station, perhaps the same amount again living locally/section house(s).
              26+ constables or their abouts attached to the station.
              Working 3 8 hour shifts - days,lates & nights (more on duty on lates and nights, but shorter beats than during the day) roles being on the beat, fixed point in the station (on reserve). Roughly 20 bobbies on duty at any one time, with perhaps 12-15 on the beat. Beats ranging from right outside the station to perhaps 20 or so minuted walk from the station. All would parade at the station then be escorted to their beats by the shift sergeant.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Robert View Post
                Hi SC


                For 1881, just search for Sophia Quigley.

                PS Haven't you missed out Gerald Ashman from 1891?

                Can't see Gerald ASHMAN on the census, where does he fit into it?

                Can't find Sophia QUIGLEY either?

                Additional Officers I have come across, who must have lived married quarters or certainly living elsewhere.

                Insp John SPRATLING 18, Gore Road, Bethnal Green.

                Sgt Henry KERBY

                DS George GODLEY

                PC97J NEIL
                PC96J THANE
                PC143J GORDON
                PC173J MURPHY
                PC121J CHAPPELL
                PC223J DANIELS

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                • #9
                  With so few bobbies actually stationed at Bethnal Green it is surprising that more aren't mentioned by name. There are numerous officers just refered to as 'a constable', in the case of Poly NICHOLS their names lost forever to history. It stands to reason that some of the ones listed about must have been involved in this capacity, but are now just recorded as `a constable`.

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                  • #10
                    SC, for some reason I cannot post images on Casebook. PM me your email and I'll send them to you.

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                    • #11
                      Sent them, SC.

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                      • #12
                        1881 census for Bethnal Green police station...........


                        PS Arthur HALL
                        PC Charles SLY
                        PC Richard HAYTON
                        PC George MEREDETH
                        PC William RUSSELL
                        PC Tom ANDREWS
                        PC John ALLEN
                        PC David DANIELS
                        PC Jospeph THOMPSON
                        PC Martin McDONALD
                        PC Gerald AINMAN
                        PC Charles PERBURTON
                        PC Ralph ELLICOTT
                        PC Charles PLUMLEY
                        Last edited by The Station Cat; 04-25-2017, 10:45 AM.

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                        • #13
                          All but two names appear on both censuses.....

                          PS Arthur HALL 81/91
                          PC Charles SLY 81/91
                          PC George MEREDITH 81/91
                          PC William RUSSELL 81/91
                          PC Tom ANDREWS 81/91
                          PC John ALLEN 81/91
                          PC David DANIELS 81/91
                          PC Jospeph THOMPSON 81/91
                          PC Martin McDONALD 81/91
                          PC Charles PERBURTON 81/91
                          PC Ralph ELLICOTT 81/91
                          PC Charles PLUMLEY 81/91

                          .....and yet done of them are documented as being involved in the Ripper case and yet it is well documented that THANE was sent to Bethnal Green station to get more officers, by the law of averages some of these `constables` must have been those listed above?

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                          • #14
                            Either Census will list police actually at the station.

                            Does not matter if they reside there or not.

                            Being out on patrol is another matter and depends on the rules of the particular Census.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DJA View Post
                              Either Census will list police actually at the station.

                              Does not matter if they reside there or not.

                              Being out on patrol is another matter and depends on the rules of the particular Census.

                              Interesting, so your suggesting that these officers, may only be the ones physically in the station at the time at the census (not necessarily resident within the station)? That the ones out on patrol may not have been recorded?

                              Did that not run the risk of them being recorded twice (at home and at work) or indeed not at all?

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