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Old 11-26-2016, 04:10 AM
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What other named suspect performed a 'Ripper-like' murder who can be definitely tied to the East End during the autumn of terror?

What's that? None? Then Bury remains the best of the bunch.
Yes, he does, and I said so: Amongst those NAMED he is the one who comes closest.
But since there is another, unnamed, man who comes a country mile closer, Bury is moved down the list.
And since this other unnamed man killed in late 1889 too, Bury disappears from the list over plausible contenders. His candidacy hinges on the non-candidacy of the Torso man, and that is not going to happen until somebody proves that the Torso man and the Ripper could not be one and the same.

The similarities between the Ripper and the Thames torso killer rewrite the map totally. It´s a new day, Harry.
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Ellen's murder is NOT a ripper-like murder, if so then Mackenzie's is a ripper-like murder too, and also that, will kick Bury out of the suspect list...
Strangulation, deep post-abdominal and facial mutilations. McKenzie's throat had been stabbed and dragged, not slashed as per previous victims, and her mutilations were superficial. You'll retort that Ellen Bury's throat wasn't cut at all, but there wasn't the same necessity to silence the victim in this case as there was on the crowded streets of Whitechapel.
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If strangulation is enough to silence the victims, why to bother cut the throat at all...

Tabram's throat was also stabbed several times... 9 times !

Using the knife is more Ripperish than strangulation, which was not always the case in all the C5..

and after he strangulated her to death, what did he do, inserted his knife a little in her abdomin...?!

The man who turned Kelly into a thousand pieces will be satisfied by such a cut ?!

No need for a throat cut, but need just to make such a little abdomin cut ?!

A facial mutilation ?! was Ellen's ears, eyelids or nose even cut as that we saw on Eddowes and Kelly ?! you must be kidding...

At least there is a doctor's report who examined Mckenzie and who positively testified it was the work of the same hand.



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The best thing that you can do with Bury, is to play card with him...


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Strangulation, deep post-abdominal and facial mutilations. McKenzie's throat had been stabbed and dragged, not slashed as per previous victims, and her mutilations were superficial. You'll retort that Ellen Bury's throat wasn't cut at all, but there wasn't the same necessity to silence the victim in this case as there was on the crowded streets of Whitechapel.
Strangulation is an extremely common method of killing when it comes to domestic affairs. I would guess that it os by far the most common one. It is therefore of very little interest in this issue, not least since it is not something we know happened to all Ripper victims.
That leaves you with the abdominal cut and the facial mutilations. The cut to the abdomen, 4 1/2 inches long, we have had described. But I have not seen the facial mutilations you speak of described, Harry. Could you expand on the subject, please?
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Besides Ed Kemper, are there any other serial killers who have killed "loved ones" or family members using the exact MO as there victims who were complete strangers?
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