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And this is entirely your subjective interpretation of the killer's behaviour. Where in the rulebook does it state that Bury must have killed in 1887 or again in 1888?
All I said is that I'd be more impressed if he had. Nothing subjective about that statement.
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Dr. Templeman said “the wounds to the abdomen must have been inflicted either during life or at most ten minutes after death". That doesn't prove it was a paraphilia of his, but it's noteworthy that Bury's first reaction was to mutilate the abdomen.
Was it his first reaction? Or was it an afterthought? Besides, there's attacking the abdomen... and then there's Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly.
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Here we have a suspect that was in the area at the time.
Along with a couple of tens of thousands of others yet to be named, among whom may well have been the Ripper.
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hes got to be in the short list as most viable candidates.
Of the "known knowns", yes - as I've often said - but there's not much competition, and the case against him really isn't that strong. Bear in mind that I don't consider Tabram or Stride as definite Ripper murders, and I have some reservations over Kelly, so my qualifying criteria are pretty stringent.
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But domestic murders are not mutually exclusive with serial killings. Serial killers have murdered spouses/partners before.
Oh, indeed, but I allowed for that possibility: "Ellen Bury's murder belonged in the [domestic] category, whether WHB was the Ripper or not."

However, all we have is evidence that Bury was a wife-killer, a comparatively common species of murderer. We don't have any evidence that he killed strangers.
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Along with a couple of tens of thousands of others yet to be named, among whom may well have been the Ripper.
Of the "known knowns", yes - as I've often said - but there's not much competition, and the case against him really isn't that strong. Bear in mind that I don't consider Tabram or Stride as definite Ripper murders, and I have some reservations over Kelly, so my qualifying criteria are pretty stringent.
yes agreed, as Ive often said-all the suspects are weak, some just less weak than others!

Ive got tabram, c5 and McKenzie as ripper victims, and my main beef with Bury is Mckenzie obviously, since he couldn't have been her killer.
If it wasn't for McKenzie, Id have him higher on my list.

Just out of curiosity, Sam, who is your favored ripper suspect/s??
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Just out of curiosity, Sam, who is your favored ripper suspect/s??
He hasn't yet been named, in my view.
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Hello Abby
He hasn't yet been named, in my view.
blotchy then?
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blotchy then?
I won't get drawn into that on a Bury thread, Abs
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I won't get drawn into that on a Bury thread, Abs
dam!!
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I don't understate it. I'm seeing the murder for what it is: A ligature, some stabs and four inch abdominal cut with bulging bowels, the latter possibly only because Ellen was folded up and stuffed into a box. That's not a Ripper murder; it's not even a variation on a Ripper murder.
Garbage. Yes you do and in a pompous manner.
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