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Old 05-03-2008, 06:24 PM
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How much do we know about Folgema? I have entertained a thoery for a few years that a sailor may have committed the murders. If Folgema's ship movements could be discovered we could look for times his ship was docked in London. If the ship was docked in London on the days in question and Folgema was aboard at those times it would bring us a lot closer to the truth one way or another.
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The Fogelma story originated with an article in the Empire News of 23 October 1923. There's apparently not a whole lot to follow up on since there's no physical description of the sailor in question. The author of the article doesn't even identify himself. An intriguing theory though.
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:29 AM
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as far as i know this story was a bit of elaborated fiction by an empire news journalist.
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The things I don't like about the sailor theories, and there are many of them, are the convenient way theorists can latch onto many, many ships and many nationalities, and the ability, also by theorists, to place anyone on any ship, knowing full well that crew manifestos are nearly impossible to come by.

Many of us believe the murderer was from the area, and from just a small part of the area that he seems to be so familiar with. Why would a sailor, possibly with little English, stray from the docks and wharves and their own brands of doxies and drinking establishments? Any number of arguments can be put forth to answer my last, rhetorical question, but how many realistic ones?

I daresay each ship probably had one or two shady characters (at the very least) who were talked about and joked about as being the Ripperous type, but which of those several thousand was the killer. I wonder how many stories about suspects on ships never made it into the papers. That must be in the thousands as well.

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Mike: It was a theory and I'm not tied into it. I know far too little to committ to one theory though I have some ideas. I guess the murderer had a good knowledge of the area and that implies, as you say, someone who lived there. Cheers to you as well. Neil
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Well let me say this. In another post I putforeward a thought that the 88 murders where JTR and that the 89 where a copy cat based on freuqency. Why did they stop so suddenly? well JTR either;
Died, got caught, got killed (the UK was a war in India at the time)
or moved. But if he was a sailor or even an officer he would not be in port 12 months to 2 years, not that long, unless he quit until he got another ship.
as for the copy cat, what better way for a pimp to cover up the murder or disloyal prostitute by masking it as a ripper murder?
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Old 11-28-2008, 04:59 PM
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Hi!

There was another thread about this topic that ended in 2005 that i will refer to: http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4922/8084.html

Some background info: http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media...morley/63.html


Lets have a look at Fogelmas sweetheart. She bears the name Storsjan, which means "the great lake" in norwegian. I think Helge Samulsson wrote about that earlier.

There are two lakes in Norway called Storsj°en, and one in Sweden (spelled Storsj÷n). To me, as a swede, that choice of name seems very strange, but okey, i can accept that.


But whats even stranger, and im surprised that is hasent been noticed before (or has it?), is that the american preists last name is Miosen. Mj°sen (somthimes spelled Mj°sa) is the name of Norways greatest lake...

So in this saga we have one norwegian sailor and two persons named after norwegian lakes, one of whom is an american priest in the Nestorian church in New York!

I think we should consider erasing poor Fogelma from the list of suspects.

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Financeman; He wouldn't be in port if he were on the equivelent of an ocean-going freighter or a naval vessel but what about a packet ship going across the channel or up and down the English coast? It wasn't uncommon for sailors then to seek better berths but if it was a sailor, it would likely be one wjho was employed on a ship making scheduled trips that would put them inport for the weekends on a fairl;y frequent basis say once or twice a month. Again, let me reiterate this is a theory and I'm putting it out there as I did in the initial post to stimulate discussion. HAppy holidays all!
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Folgelma was a hoax and never existed to begin with!
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Hi

Went into the link for all this and saw straight away the problem with the name.
FOLGELMA isn'r a real name

A REAL norwegian Name that DOES fit the English sound is FUGLEMAS

(pronounced.. foolemah..the g is silent, the s is silent, and depending on which dialect it is spoken in, the u sounds like a double o, as in "fool".

There are many people in Norway today with this last name.

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