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Old 04-17-2017, 11:25 AM
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A government is either socialist or it's not. The countries you've mentioned are all based on capitalist economies.
But, Harry! The Good Michael (the OP) didn't say anything about governments. What he said was this: "Republicans hate the word 'socialism' so much that they wish socialist nations (pretty much all the successful ones) would fail."

The nations I listed - whether they are card carrying members of the Planet Earth Socialist Governments Club or not - preside over the most socialist economies/societies in the world and have for decades, because the list is fairly unchanged from when I was in school.

In terms of socialist nations/economies/societies, these ARE some of the most successful. And that's why we Republicans hate them so much! We used to hate China but they're too capitalist now (although still authoritarian!). We used to hate Russia back when they were the USSR but now they're rigging elections for us, so they're not so bad. Besides, they're broke, and neither socialist nor successful...so....they don't get us so riled up.
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Well to be fair then.... Trump's wife is about half his age....

and there have been SEVERAL charges against Trump as well, including sexual assault and rape that he has paid off... What does that make him?

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Well to be fair then.... Trump's wife is about half his age....
ummm-no its not fair and not even close to being a comparable situation and you dam well know it.

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and there have been SEVERAL charges against Trump as well, including sexual assault and rape that he has paid off...
huh? when who etc? please elaborate
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ummm-no its not fair and not even close to being a comparable situation and you dam well know it.



huh? when who etc? please elaborate
Fellas! I hate to break this to you, but the Clintons, Trump, Bush, Cheney, Obama, Gore....pick one.....none of them would piss on you if you were on fire...unless they REALLY needed your vote....and then ...only maybe.

More to the point: Clinton is a dirtbag...that doesn't mean Trump isn't. Clinton was/is a sexual predator. That doesn't make Trump Mother Teresa. Who is worse? Who knows? Everyone listed above is a professional liar. They have sketchy principals, no ethics, and their ambition overpowers any empathy, compassion, or sincerity that may still exist within their hollow shells of humanity. Let's call it a tie!

I discovered long ago that when you advocate for a politician you'll usually end up being made an ass of.
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ummm-no its not fair and not even close to being a comparable situation and you dam well know it.




huh? when who etc? please elaborate
Is it....you are the one who brought up age... if you were to have said an intern in the oval office fine... but YOU BROUGHT UP AGE

well, let us start with
Ivana Trump, Jill Harth ,Temple Taggart McDowell, Karena Virginia, Mindy McGillivray, Cathy Heller, Kristin Anderson,Jessica Leeds, Ninni Laaksonen, Cassandra Searles... I could go on... if you would like... but there is no point because I'm sure you will say it's all "fake news" which I am sure some are, no doubt...as with Clinton's accusers....some I'm sure are fake, but not all....

Look..I am just pointing out facts...not taking sides... if you read what I have said before...Do I think all these claims are true... NOT A CHANCE...but if you notice I said "there have been SEVERAL charges against Trump as well"

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Fellas! I hate to break this to you, but the Clintons, Trump, Bush, Cheney, Obama, Gore....pick one.....none of them would piss on you if you were on fire...unless they REALLY needed your vote....and then ...only maybe.
The sad reality of the situation is that the kind of alpha male that can lead a country isn't going to be a very nice person. If he had a conscience, it would drive him either to madness or suicide. Since a kind and gentle POTUS is out of the question, I'll settle for an effective one. Trump seems to be that in spades. His allegiance seems to be to himself and the United States, rather than to a political party.

To date, this man is pretty much my dream POTUS. I devoutly hope that he continues on as he has started.
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Fellas! I hate to break this to you, but the Clintons, Trump, Bush, Cheney, Obama, Gore....pick one.....none of them would piss on you if you were on fire...unless they REALLY needed your vote....and then ...only maybe.

More to the point: Clinton is a dirtbag...that doesn't mean Trump isn't. Clinton was/is a sexual predator. That doesn't make Trump Mother Teresa. Who is worse? Who knows? Everyone listed above is a professional liar. They have sketchy principals, no ethics, and their ambition overpowers any empathy, compassion, or sincerity that may still exist within their hollow shells of humanity. Let's call it a tie!

I discovered long ago that when you advocate for a politician you'll usually end up being made an ass of.
I'm not advocating any of them and for the most part I agree-except that some are obviously worse, much worse than others.
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Is it....you are the one who brought up age... if you were to have said an intern in the oval office fine... but YOU BROUGHT UP AGE

well, let us start with
Ivana Trump, Jill Harth ,Temple Taggart McDowell, Karena Virginia, Mindy McGillivray, Cathy Heller, Kristin Anderson,Jessica Leeds, Ninni Laaksonen, Cassandra Searles... I could go on... if you would like... but there is no point because I'm sure you will say it's all "fake news" which I am sure some are, no doubt...as with Clinton's accusers....some I'm sure are fake, but not all....

Look..I am just pointing out facts...not taking sides... if you read what I have said before...Do I think all these claims are true... NOT A CHANCE...but if you notice I said "there have been SEVERAL charges against Trump as well"

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if you were to have said an intern in the oval office fine...
I did-"Having sex with an intern half his age in the oval office"
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Yes....but age had nothing to do with it is my point.. they were both adults....now, if you had said an intern in the oval office only and left age out of it I wouldn't have commented....you brought up the age gap....and I just pointed out Trump doesn't seem to mind women half his age......or less IF some of the allegations are to be believed

Again, the funny thing is you get all defensive about it, I have said from the get go I support our President....but you only see what you want to see.. that is the problem on both sides....nobody wants facts, just only see what they want to see.....so sorry you seemed so triggered by it

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Germany's deeply conservative Iron Chancellor, Otto Von Bismarck, is widely regarded as creating the world's first welfare state in the 19th century, as ironic as that might seem to some. Doesn't this demonstrate that ideological definitions are no where near as clear cut as the modern Republican Party appear to believe?
Absolutely. Republicans don't start hating until Fox News labels things.

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Absolutely. Republicans don't start hating until Fox News labels things.

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Man, Mike! You are plugged into how Republicans think! Oooo! Oooo! Do they hate puppies? Probably do, right? All of them. Because they think, like, with one brain, don't they? One big, stupid, EVIL brain...DICK CHENEY'S BRAIN!...... But what if someone is only Republican on some things, like defense or taxes, but not all that Republican at all on, like, abortion, or immigration? Are they as awful as the full-Republican haters who take their hating orders from Fox News? I'm trying to get a handle on all this because it seems REALLY complex and, well, you seem like the guy who has it all figured out.
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