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Old 05-20-2018, 11:37 AM
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Richard, are we saying that the man who killed MJK is not Jack? Or did this killer, kill the first four/five victims to frighten MJK? And then to really get in her face, have someone read all about what was going on from the stories in the press and the man to do that was none other than Joe Barnett.
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Old 05-20-2018, 01:31 PM
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Hi. Busy Beaver,
i am only using hearsay from a relation of Kelly's landlord, in which it is claimed he knew the identity of her killer, and therefore as her death has all the hallmarks of the Ripper, he knew Jack.
Pure hearsay that McCarthy frightened away someone pestering Mary Kelly. Pure speculation that this person killed MJK, and pure speculation that her landlord knew who the killer was , and his motive.
Pure speculation that Joe Barnett fits in with all this also , and very unlikely in my opinion he had anything to do with her death.[ albeit I did have reservations at one time].
Fiona Kendall who submitted this hearsay to Casebook , also refers to her grandfathers account of Mary Jane Kelly, being a fine looking woman , with distinctive hair., also her great grandmother parcelling up the dead woman's clothing and sending them to a reluctant brother who was in the army, and was concerned with this scandal affecting his army prospects. Also Fiona's grandfather saw a passport belonging to the dead woman..
All hearsay , along with speculation, but is a account from someone whose family had major connections to the case.
Regards Richard.

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Old 05-20-2018, 01:48 PM
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Passports bearing a photo of the holder were not introduced until 1915. Not that this really matters......

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If I had to pick a "named" suspect it would be Kosminski, not Aaron Kosminski or at least not "Fido's" Kosminski.

Considering one of the only clues (Even if it was nothing to do with the Ripper) was removed for fear of attacks on Jewish people. If Kosminski (or any other of Jewish extraction) was considered by the police to "be him" then it's reasonable to suspect it would have been covered-up. If dead or mad what would be the point anyway? They were hardly to know that 120-odd years later people would be still dissecting this case through cyberspace.

There are some unfortunate examples of police covering up crimes for the sake of "diversity" in modern times.

The scaling down of the investigation after the Kelly murder, I think the police suspected that it would be the last.


My "favourite" suspects however that I am interested in are Tumblety and Druitt, both of whom I think are not the Ripper.
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:41 AM
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Thanks for that Richard.
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Old 05-22-2018, 08:45 PM
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If I had to pick a "named" suspect it would be Kosminski, not Aaron Kosminski or at least not "Fido's" Kosminski.

Considering one of the only clues (Even if it was nothing to do with the Ripper) was removed for fear of attacks on Jewish people. If Kosminski (or any other of Jewish extraction) was considered by the police to "be him" then it's reasonable to suspect it would have been covered-up. If dead or mad what would be the point anyway? They were hardly to know that 120-odd years later people would be still dissecting this case through cyberspace.

There are some unfortunate examples of police covering up crimes for the sake of "diversity" in modern times.

The scaling down of the investigation after the Kelly murder, I think the police suspected that it would be the last.


My "favourite" suspects however that I am interested in are Tumblety and Druitt, both of whom I think are not the Ripper.

But darn interesting pair all the same.
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Abby agree with all your finally half. We may disagree about why throats were cut. Fisherman would argue in Nichols case it was done second.

As you say it's interesting to see how people think.


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Old 05-22-2018, 10:26 PM
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Hi Abby.

My concern with Chapman, and Kozminski alike, is their age. In 1888 both were far too young for this type of crime, in my opinion.
I tend to agree, and since I also think that the 1873 torso was killed by the man we know as the Ripper, not only does that suggest that Koz and Chapman killed before ten years of age, but also that they did so from VERY far afield...
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Hi. Busy Beaver,
i am only using hearsay from a relation of Kelly's landlord, in which it is claimed he knew the identity of her killer, and therefore as her death has all the hallmarks of the Ripper, he knew Jack.
Pure hearsay that McCarthy frightened away someone pestering Mary Kelly. Pure speculation that this person killed MJK, and pure speculation that her landlord knew who the killer was , and his motive.
Pure speculation that Joe Barnett fits in with all this also , and very unlikely in my opinion he had anything to do with her death.[ albeit I did have reservations at one time].
Fiona Kendall who submitted this hearsay to Casebook , also refers to her grandfathers account of Mary Jane Kelly, being a fine looking woman , with distinctive hair., also her great grandmother parcelling up the dead woman's clothing and sending them to a reluctant brother who was in the army, and was concerned with this scandal affecting his army prospects. Also Fiona's grandfather saw a passport belonging to the dead woman..
All hearsay , along with speculation, but is a account from someone whose family had major connections to the case.
Regards Richard.
Yeah I remember when Fiona Kendall was posting.I wanted her to continue and read her full story,if lying something will standout most likely but people attacked her and she ran.Lose respect and its downhill from there.

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Old 05-23-2018, 12:42 AM
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I wouldn't take too much stock over age regarding Chapman, Kosminski etc. This was a different era, people grew up faster, they died younger, life's experiences came at them thick and fast. All that could impact on their psyche,[1888, not 1873, obviously eight is too young].

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