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Old 04-24-2018, 07:09 AM
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The similarities fish seeks to rely on are not similarities in the true sense pointing to a specific MO.
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Okay, let´s see here, what did these two killers do?

The Ripper killed women, involving severed necks, he cut abdomens open and he took out organs sometimes, plus he cut away a nosetip and part of a buttock in one case. And cut away abdominal walls in flaps. Oh, and he took away the rings from a victims´fingers.

And the Torso murderer killed women, involving severed necks, he cut abdomens open and he took out organs sometimes, plus he cut away a nosetip and part of a buttock in one case. And cut away an abdominal wall in flaps. Oh, and he took away the rings from a victims´fingers.

So you are probably correct, Trevor, as always: these matters are obviously not true similarities. It´s a good thing that we have a man of your calibre to sort that out for us, because being the simple soul that I am, I could have sworn that it looks like the exact same thing to me in both cases.

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Okay, let´s see here, what did these two killers do?

The Ripper killed women, involving severed necks, he cut abdomens open and he took out organs sometimes, plus he cut away a nosetip and part of a buttock in one case. And cut away abdominal walls in flaps. Oh, and he took away the rings from a victims´fingers.

And the Torso murderer killed women, involving severed necks, he cut abdomens open and he took out organs sometimes, plus he cut away
nosetip and part of a buttock in one case. And cut away an abdominal wall in flaps. Oh, and he took away the rings from a victims´fingers.

So you are probably correct, Trevor, as always: these matters are obviously not true similarities. It´s a good thing that we have a man of your calibre to sort that out for us, because being the simple soul that I am, I could have sworn that it looks like the exact same thing to me in both cases.
Incidentally, I now have a reply from Dr Biggs regarding the questions both you and Debs asked me to put to him, which I will post later this evening.

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Incidentally, I now have a reply from Dr Biggs regarding the questions both you and Debs asked me to put to him, which I will post later this evening.

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Thanks, Trevor. I will try and get back later to read the answer.
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Incidentally, I now have a reply from Dr Biggs regarding the questions both you and Debs asked me to put to him, which I will post later this evening.

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That should be interesting. Why not post it right away, though?
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:31 AM
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That should be interesting. Why not post it right away, though?
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Thanks, Trevor. I will try and get back later to read the answer.
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That should be interesting. Why not post it right away, though?
Unlike you, who can sit here all day, every day I still have a life

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The torso killer demonstrated skill in cutting the joints, whereas the Ripper never showed that kind of skill. However, Phillips was adamant that the killer of Chapman was highly skilled, and he also said that the mode of cutting inbetween Kelly and the Pinchin Street torso was very similar.

There were far too many similarities and far too unusual ones to be coincidences. It is self-evident, and that is all there is to it.

Banging on about how you personally think it had nothing to do with mindsets only adds to the heap of personal interpretations that impress me very little. Or not at all, to be frank.
-- Only the differences in skill is relevant,skill could have been observed by Hebbert looking at the body parts and cuts, but the mindsets could not have been observed so this was an "intelligent guess" by Hebbert and must be put aside.Don't you agree with Hebbert that the skill set between the ripper and torso killer were different?
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:30 AM
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the killers of both series were never identified so no one knows if the similarities are coincidences are not. what we do know, however, is that there were similarities.

Differences too as you mention, but even though (most)the ripper murders were in public, he was also "discreet" enough not to get busted.

"he changed?" he could have, if his usual chop shop was not available, but the urge is still there, and forced to kill on the streets.

and in terms of capture/luring MO both were probably similar in that a ruse was used to get the victims to a secluded place.
Yes but in the torso the killer was careful not to get caught and was "consistent" with the way he/she operated.The ripper was open.To me the difference is huge that this was 2 different killers.I do not believe in the chop
shop was not available or thrill because he/she was consistent with it during the whole torso series.We have to agree to disagree.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:37 AM
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Let the poor man have a cup of tea!
Well... okay. But just a quick one. No scones.

I´m curious here.
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