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Old 04-18-2018, 01:37 PM
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Also, the down side of selecting Maybrick is obvious. Businessman, well travelled, moved in higher social circles attending functions/meetings, travelling abroad. His name cropping up on the minutes of a meeting or on a guest list in Liverpool on the same day as a Ripper murder and it would have immediately been game over.
Just as well that not a single shred of evidence has ever placed Maybrick in the wrong place, then, for our hoaxer-theorists.

To the fair-minded, this would point in favour of Maybrick being the author of the journal, but of course you can propose anything you like on the Jack the Ripper Casebook and people will fawn over your stupid theory with awe and admiration, but if you suggest that Maybrick was your man, the clouds and the clowns open up.

Maybrick wrote the Maybrick journal. Real threads like Incontrovertible, and History vs. make the case irresistible.

Honestly, everyone, just get over yourselves.
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Just as well that not a single shred of evidence has ever placed Maybrick in the wrong place, then, for our hoaxer-theorists.
There aren't many shreds that place him anywhere. Like the vast majority of people at the time, or now for that matter, his every movement was not slavishly recorded.
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There aren't many shreds that place him anywhere. Like the vast majority of people at the time, or now for that matter, his every movement was not slavishly recorded.
Hmmm. Then we should turn back to those threads which place him firmly in the dock.

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Also, the down side of selecting Maybrick is obvious. Businessman, well travelled, moved in higher social circles attending functions/meetings, travelling abroad. His name cropping up on the minutes of a meeting or on a guest list in Liverpool on the same day as a Ripper murder and it would have immediately been game over.
But there don’t seem to be many reports with him on guest lists at any time.
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But there don’t seem to be many reports with him on guest lists at any time.
I can't see any reason why there should be. Such ephemera would have been comparatively rare, and fewer would have survived.
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Apart from his death, Maybrick isn't a good choice. But the author of the fake Diary needed someone local ,someone who died at the right time, and someone who was well known in Victorian times, [ so as to make his life easier to investigate, instead of Joe Bloggs from London ], to concoct the document. Pity he couldn't also find someone in his Twenties or Thirties who was known to have been in Whitechapel that Autumn. Might have been more believable
This for me is numero uno point concerning the 'diary'. Why would a potential hoaxer of a Diary purportedly by Jack the Ripper actually choose someone over 200 miles away from the murder scenes?
They quite simply would not.
Which leaves, for me, the alternative probability.
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This for me is numero uno point concerning the 'diary'. Why would a potential hoaxer of a Diary purportedly by Jack the Ripper actually choose someone over 200 miles away from the murder scenes?
They quite simply would not.
Which leaves, for me, the alternative probability.
Good point Spider, old boy. It's been made from time to time before but not often enough. Why on earth did our erstwhile hoaxer home in on a Liverpool cotton merchant nearing his 50th birthday.

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[Thinks. Thinks some more. Struggles to think any more than that but eventually does.]

"Wait a minute - it's been staring me in the f**king face!"

And the rest is History vs Maybrick ...
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But there don’t seem to be many reports with him on guest lists at any time.
I dont doubt it GUT. The only point that im making is that, if i was intending to forge a diary and knowing that it would come under heavy scrutiny, would i choose a well-to-do businessman who mixed in pretty high circles? Personally id choose some unknown butchers assistant from Stepney (or maybe even someone like Lechmere?) There must be higher chance of someone like Maybrick leaving some kind of trail which could disprove his presence at a crime scene than would a relative nobody. Of course this doesnt mean the diary isnt a forgery. Im only saying that Maybrick appears a risky subject but a hoaxer may have felt that the higher profile might have been a better ‘selling point’ and therefore worth the risk.
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This for me is numero uno point concerning the 'diary'. Why would a potential hoaxer of a Diary purportedly by Jack the Ripper actually choose someone over 200 miles away from the murder scenes?
He took a room in Middlesex Street, Whitechapel, as the diary helpfully explains early on.

For "helpfully explains" read "conveniently explains", by the way.
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I dont doubt it GUT. The only point that im making is that, if i was intending to forge a diary and knowing that it would come under heavy scrutiny, would i choose a well-to-do businessman who mixed in pretty high circles?
Then again, Maybrick was a complete and utter nobody compared to some of the suspects suggested over the years and, after Stephen Knight got away with libelling the Royal Family (effectively what his book did) then I'd say that it was pretty much open season to take a pop at any suspect you liked, no matter how high-profile they were.
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