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Old 03-17-2018, 07:29 AM
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I do think thereís a possibility that Bury somehow obtained Masonic cuff links, and Berry saw them and wrongly concluded that Bury was a Mason.
It seems to me that one of William H. Bury's characteristics was that he liked to be thought of as more or better than he was -- better educated, richer etc.

Therefore, wearing jewelry of a powerful organization would be a way of creating an image. He would not have to lie or say a word. People would simply see him wearing a Masonic emblem and interpret it to mean he was a member.

William H. Bury is one of my favorite Ripper suspects, but I keep wondering if his need to be seen as more than he was led to him trying to link the Ripper to himself . . .

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It seems to me that one of William H. Bury's characteristics was that he liked to be thought of as more or better than he was -- better educated, richer etc.

Therefore, wearing jewelry of a powerful organization would be a way of creating an image. He would not have to lie or say a word. People would simply see him wearing a Masonic emblem and interpret it to mean he was a member.
Thatís an excellent point, curious. Bury does seem to have been something of a show-off on that trip to Wolverhampton.

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William H. Bury is one of my favorite Ripper suspects, but I keep wondering if his need to be seen as more than he was led to him trying to link the Ripper to himself . . .
I donít think this is a realistic possibility. Bury went to the police and tried to sell them a b.s. story about what happened. He was trying to escape from the jam that he was in. It would not have made sense for him to mislead the police into thinking that he could be the Ripper, as that would have increased their suspicion of him, not reduced it.
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Thatís an excellent point, curious. Bury does seem to have been something of a show-off on that trip to Wolverhampton.



I donít think this is a realistic possibility. Bury went to the police and tried to sell them a b.s. story about what happened. He was trying to escape from the jam that he was in. It would not have made sense for him to mislead the police into thinking that he could be the Ripper, as that would have increased their suspicion of him, not reduced it.
Wasnít bury obsessed with NOT being accused of being the ripper?
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Wasnít bury obsessed with NOT being accused of being the ripper?
I wouldn't use the word "obsessed," Abby, but he was clearly concerned about being suspected when he interacted with Lt. Parr.
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Wasnít bury obsessed with NOT being accused of being the ripper?
This is incorrect. A drunken Bury babbled something about him being afraid of being seen as a Ripper at the time he went to the police about his wife's death.
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Thatís so weird he would even bring up the ripper in this case, especially since he was trying to say she committed suicide!
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Thatís so weird he would even bring up the ripper in this case, especially since he was trying to say she committed suicide!
For me it's one of the many things that point to Bury being the Ripper Abby.
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That’s so weird he would even bring up the ripper in this case, especially since he was trying to say she committed suicide!
Because, whether she committed suicide or not, he was the obvious suspect for having inflicted the post mortem wounds. There was also the "JTR is in this seller" graffiti to consider.
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Because, whether she committed suicide or not, he was the obvious suspect for having inflicted the post mortem wounds. There was also the "JTR is in this seller" graffiti to consider.
yes, or could be case of "I think thou dost protest too much".
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A drunken Bury babbled something about him being afraid of being seen as a Ripper at the time he went to the police about his wife's death.
John, I’m not sure what source you’re using for that, but according to the trial notes, Parr testified that Bury was “quite sober and apparently sensible” when he spoke to him.

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Because, whether she committed suicide or not, he was the obvious suspect for having inflicted the post mortem wounds. There was also the "JTR is in this seller" graffiti to consider.
It’s interesting that Bury seems to have told Parr that he feared being identified as the Ripper simply because of the presence of a strangled body, and that he took his knife to the body subsequent to having that fear. This is Parr’s testimony from Lord Young’s trial notes: “That on getting up in morning he found his wife lying on the floor dead and a rope about her neck. That he got frightened that he would be apprehended as Jack the Ripper and he cut up the body and packed it in a box where it was still to be found.” The trial transcript from the Dundee Courier and Argus seems to confirm this sequence. “On getting up in the morning he found his wife lying on the floor dead and a rope round her neck; and then he said he got frightened that he would be apprehended as “Jack the Ripper,” and then he cut up the body and packed it in a box where it was still to be found.”
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