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Fair enough Caz. It's clear you agree with me that Mike was involved in the fabrication of the diary. It's just to what extent where we disagree. I think the bottom line is the diary is a modern forgery. Cheers John
Where did you get this idea from, John? Did you actually read the post you were responding to?

Once again, I suspect Mike never told the truth about how the diary came into his possession, so no, I don't agree with you that he was involved in its creation.

But that's fine. It wouldn't do for us all to agree.

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Charming!

They are NOT 'phantom' markings, Abby. And they appeared BEFORE the diary was published.

And I've 'swallowed' nothing. Where have I said I believed Maybrick put the markings there, or was the ripper?

I agree that you don't need to waste another second of your precious time on this. You seem to know very little about this subject, so I suggest you return to the topic of JtR and chill out a wee bit.

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Where did you get this idea from, John? Did you actually read the post you were responding to?

Once again, I suspect Mike never told the truth about how the diary came into his possession, so no, I don't agree with you that he was involved in its creation.

But that's fine. It wouldn't do for us all to agree.

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Perhaps I worded things poorly. I do assume you agree that the diary is not an old forgery though. And you do think that Mike was deceitful as to how the diary came into his possession.

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Yes but that didn’t seem to bother you when I was a noob and you had me snookered into believing it was an old hoax.
I never knew that, Abby.

I was aware you used to consider the possibility, but I assumed that was all down to your ability to think for yourself. I had no reason to imagine I had 'snookered' you into believing the diary was neither a Maybrick nor a Barrett production. I thought the handwriting could have achieved that much.

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Hi Caz

Perhaps I worded things poorly. I do assume you agree that the diary is not an old forgery though. And you do think that Mike was deceitful as to how the diary came into his possession.

Cheers John
No probs, John. We can all word things poorly at times.

I don't know when the diary was created. If, as I believe, Mike had no knowledge of its creation, but was merely deceitful about who passed it on to him and when, it's hard for me to imagine how it could have been hoaxed as recently as the late 1980s. But then stranger things have happened. If the hoaxer put the diary somewhere, then died, for instance, without anyone knowing about their involvement, and it was subsequently found and only passed on to Mike because of his [limited] experience with the publishing world, it could still be a relatively recent document, but with no connection with the Barretts beyond the fact it ended up with them by pure chance.

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I donít need to waste my time caz. Phantom markings on a watch that just happens to appear shortly after the diary does. Bah..

Another crock of **** that youíve swallowed hook line and sinker.
Elaboration is needed here, Mr. Normal. Why is it a crock of ****??

What information do you have that it isn't?
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But wasn't it also used (under the name ivory black) to blacken shoes and boots and to restore the blackness of leather chairs and seats? Not to mention being widely used by artists for painting as well as being used in black ink.
In another thread today, Graham has said that he once mentioned on the Forum that black bone was used as an antidote for arsenic but that "it wasn't picked up by anyone." Not actually true because I responded to him back on 30 January 2017, #3141, as quoted above.
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In another thread today, Graham has said that he once mentioned on the Forum that black bone was used as an antidote for arsenic but that "it wasn't picked up by anyone." Not actually true because I responded to him back on 30 January 2017, #3141, as quoted above.
Good to see a proper thread back in action. All that naval-gazing about acquiring a Victorian journal and who was the author of the Maybrick 'diary' have dulled my interest for too long. Yes, it must be very rewarding for those determined to find a way to discount the journal as authentic, but - oh - how the debate rolled boringly on and on! Bob Brown might have found it in a skip and given it to Crapatronic University who confirmed it was a journal and that the Victorian period did once exist and then called in their resident expert on espionage and dodgy hoaxed serial killer journals, Mike Barrett, who persuaded them to keep shtum while he got pissed and fooled the world, etc.. Painful stuff!

Get over it, everyone. The journal was acquired by James Maybrick and he was a Victorian (done). Plus, James Maybrick wrote the "'Maybrick' diary" (done). The clues were in the subject lines, for goodness sake.

Keep up everyone - it's hard being the only genius around here (although I have no doubt that the good Lord Orsam will rummage around long enough to locate some obscure thread from 1999 which points at someone else around here potentially being a genius too).

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Unfortunately, I do not have enough hours in my day to enable me to read and digest every one of Sir Orsam's posts. Sorry.

But yes, bone black may have been used to blacken boots, restore leather, etc., but I rather think that it would be carbon black in such applications. Apart from which, if bone black was used to make shoe blacking, then who would decide to spruce up their boots over a fairly expensive photo album? I'll stick with the arsenic antidote, thanks very much. But that is not to say that I accept that Maybrick wrote the Diary. No sir.

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Unfortunately, I do not have enough hours in my day to enable me to read and digest every one of Sir Orsam's posts. Sorry.
I don't care if you read and digest my posts or not Graham but my post was a direct reply to yours about bone black so if you've been under the impression that your post "wasn't picked up by anyone", as you complained yesterday, you were wrong.

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But yes, bone black may have been used to blacken boots, restore leather, etc., but I rather think that it would be carbon black in such applications. Apart from which, if bone black was used to make shoe blacking, then who would decide to spruce up their boots over a fairly expensive photo album? I'll stick with the arsenic antidote, thanks very much. But that is not to say that I accept that Maybrick wrote the Diary. No sir.
So a person who wasn't addicted to arsenic (the forger) sprinkled the diary with an arsenic antidote?

Sounds to me like you just like the idea of connecting the bone black with arsenic.
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