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Old 02-25-2018, 08:47 AM
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While it is certainly not definitive wasn't it Anderson who wrote that the police were pretty certain that the Dear Boss and Saucy Jacky letters were the work of newspaperman Tom Bulling but that the police were afraid to say so publicly for fear of a libel suit?

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Evening all, just passing this along from KS.

TO c.d.

Anderson’s words in his autobiography were...

“So I will only add here that the “Jack-the-Ripper” letter which is preserved in the Police Museum at New Scotland Yard is the creation of an enterprising London journalist.”

“Having regard to the interest attaching to this case, I am almost tempted to disclose the identity of the murderer and of the pressman who wrote the letter above referred to. But no public benefit would result from such a course, and the traditions of my old department would suffer.”


It was Littlechild, writing privately to Sims in 1913, who went the distance and named Tom Bulling and Moore as the probable originators of the term “Jack the Ripper”. It would of been interesting to know upon what evidence Littlechild based his belief?

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Hello James,

Thanks for that info. I do seem to recall some mention of libel by somebody which seems to add to the assertion that it was a newspaperman.

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Anderson’s words in his autobiography were...

“So I will only add here that the “Jack-the-Ripper” letter which is preserved in the Police Museum at New Scotland Yard is the creation of an enterprising London journalist.”
Hi Keith,
Is it definitely the case that Anderson was referring to the 1888 Dear Boss letter in his autobiography, or could he be referring to the 1896 letter? Only I notice that the extract above has the hyphenated signature seen in the photo of the later letter (the earlier letter has no hyphens). Or is this just my eyes playing tricks on me?
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Hello Joshua,

I would say it was most likely to have been the 1888 letter. I think the giveaway is the word "enterprising" as this seems to indicate someone who capitalized on the original hysteria surrounding the murders.

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Hello Joshua,

I would say it was most likely to have been the 1888 letter. I think the giveaway is the word "enterprising" as this seems to indicate someone who capitalized on the original hysteria surrounding the murders.

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Yup. I’ve always wondered if they knew for sure that if it was bulling or his boss at the CNA why they continued to be persona gratis around the station.

You would think at the very least they would have been pissed at them for all the trouble the letters caused.

And the fact that he was worried about libel only shows he didn’t know it for sure. Or at all.

I’ll say it again, that the dear boss, saucy jack letters are a known hoax is the biggest myth in ripperology.
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Hello Joshua,

I would say it was most likely to have been the 1888 letter. I think the giveaway is the word "enterprising" as this seems to indicate someone who capitalized on the original hysteria surrounding the murders.
Good point. c.d.
And of course the 1896 letter was sent direct to the police at Leman St rather than to a press agency, so didn't get the same newspaper exposure, if any, that the original Dear Boss letter received.

I'm intrigued by the mention of "Winter's coming" though....is a Game of Thrones reference a pointer to the Royal Conspiracy theory?
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great discussion.

IMHO I put dearboss/saucy jack letters as about 60% (to put a number on it) probability coming from the ripper. with winters coming letter at slighty better than 50/50. I lean towards it just ever slightly as coming from same author.

what tips the scale for me is the inclusion of the GSG. this is eight years later-seems odd a hoaxer would remember it and still even spell the word jews wrong.
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what tips the scale for me is the inclusion of the GSG. this is eight years later-seems odd a hoaxer would remember it and still even spell the word jews wrong.
Albeit the hoaxer uses the wrong wrong spelling... jewes as opposed to juwes, juws or juews.
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Afternoon all, just passing this along from KS.

TO JOSHUA

Thanks Joshua. I see what you mean about the hyphens in the colour photograph but you would probably need to examine the original document in the National Archives to satisfy yourself they were definite hyphens before developing a theory that Anderson may have been referring to the October 14th 1896 letter. Also check out whether any of the other surviving letters, purporting to have been sent by Jack the Ripper, are similarly hyphenated because the argument could then be made that perhaps Anderson had that one in mind rather than the October 14th 1896 letter? To the best of my knowledge though the October 14th 1896 letter was never on display in the Police Museum. Swanson’s directive to Moore was that the letter should be put with with other similar letters which I take to be the existing letters in the National Archives, some of which Swanson, it appears, was inclined to take seriously.

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