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(3) On January 30th 1997 Doreen Montgomery received the following statement from Kevin Whay, director of Outhwaite and Litherland. ‘Having searched through our files and archives on either side of the alleged sale dates I can confirm that no such information or lot number corresponding with his [Barrett’s] statement exists. Furthermore we do not and have never conducted our sales in the manner in which he describes.
Hi Keith. I appreciate your contribution, but with all respect, what is the relevance of posting yet again Kevin Whay's search of the receipts at O & L? Why should any intelligent person consider this evidence of anything, or wish to draw a conclusion based on it, since the search was so obviously flawed?

Here, once again, is the appropriate excerpt from Barrett's sworn affidavit of 5 Jan 1995:

"Roughly round about January, February 1990 Anne Barrett and I finally decided to go ahead and write the Diary of Jack the Ripper. In fact Anne purchased a Diary, a red leather backed Diary for L25.00p, she made the purchase through a firm in the 1986 Writters Year Book..."

Surely, you must be painfully aware that Barrett is in a muddle about the dates. It wasn't "Jan or Feb 1990" it was March 1992. Your own research confirmed this, when you received a receipt for the maroon Diary from Anne, and David Orsam has put a nice neat tidy bow on it, by producing Martin Earle's advertisement. March 1992.

This is a hard "fact" and indisputable.

Meanwhile, Barrett's affidavit continues. The maroon diary was a bust, being too small, so now he goes to the auction house:

"I feel sure it was the end of January 1990 when I went to the Auctioneer, Outhwaite & Litherland..."

Jan 1990 again, but we already know that this is wrong, don't we?

You've already proven (or should have proven) to your own satisfaction that this would have actually taken place sometime around March/April 1992.

So, with respect, why should anyone care that Kevin Whay checked his books for Jan 1990?

Must we not concede that Mr. Whay was asked to check the wrong dates, and that, in fact, he should have checked Feb-April 1992?

And further, since this was never done, shouldn't we conclude that Barrett's account of the auction house was never actually disproved?

In case you or anyone is wondering, I did, in fact, write to O & L twelve or thirteen years ago. They kindly wrote back. The appropriate receipts had been pulped, so there is, in fact, no way of now knowing if Barrett's account is accurate. David Orsam has obviously drawn the same conclusions that I did: the wrong dates were checked.

As for Caroline Morris's remark about "Mike's circle of writer's." This was supposed to be a joke, I think, but in reality Shirley Harrison states in the 2nd edition of her book that Mike DID in fact belong to a "writer's circle" in Liverpool in the late 1980s/early 1990s when he was working as a freelance writer. These are the sorts of people that should have been chased down and interviewed in 1992-93. We then could have had a more disinterested view of Mike's various talents. Unfortunately, Feldman seems to have been more interested in delving into the obscure genealogy of Alice Yapp, etc. and this avenue was never explored. If I were James I would reinterview Mike's sister. Water under the bridge and all that. All the best. RP

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Surely, you must be painfully aware that Barrett is in a muddle about the dates. It wasn't "Jan or Feb 1990" it was March 1992. Your own research confirmed this, when you received a receipt for the maroon Diary from Anne, and David Orsam has put a nice neat tidy bow on it, by producing Martin Earle's advertisement. March 1992.
Forgive me for intervening, but. When exactly did the advert for the maroon diary appear, that is the exact date in March?
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Hi Observer. March 19th, 1992. See the first two or three posts on this thread for the complete details.

If the red Diary was "too small to be useful" than Barrett would need to chase down something else for his manuscript. Simple logic.

So why check auction records for Jan 1990?
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Thanks for that.
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"When I disposed of the photographs from the Album by giving them to William Graham, I kept one back. This photograph was of a Grave, with a Donkey standing nearby." -- Mike Barrett, 5 January, 1992.

If you punch the words "donkey in a graveyard" in a Google image search engine, the first photo that comes up is an animal graveyard in...of all places...Merseyside, Liverpool, UK.

See above.

The donkey is mourning the loss of his friend "Chubby." The photo dates to around 1937 and was evidently a "gag" photo that was making the rounds about the time the Royal Airforce was saving the world for democracy. Barrett's album is said to have once had photographs in it. Case closed?

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Hi Abby, Just passing this on from Keith.



Abby Normal



Thank you for your welcome and questions. Although Iím not

officially on board yet Ė and it is of course subject to the

Administrators approval as to whether my application is

accepted Ė Iíve asked James if he can smuggle in my response!



At the Liverpool Conference I gave my position as follows Ė

that I did not believe James Maybrick penned the Diary

and neither did I believe it was physically written by Michael

Barrett. I hear the arguments that JMís handwriting could

have altered if internal and external influences were at

work. The same observation must therefore apply to Michael

Barrett. From memory I think I am correct in recalling that

Mike J.G. put up a post where he argued that, although an

individualís personality might dramatically change under

abnormal circumstances and extreme psychological trauma

and that personís handwriting have no resemblance to his

normal, conventional style, nevertheless certain characteristics

might remain consistent Ė letter formation and structure Ė spacing Ė

spelling maybe. I donít know if this is correct but Mike J.Gís

post was one which chimed very much with my thinking Ė although

he expressed it far better than I could. We now have copious

examples of Maybrickís formal hand and in a perfect world,

with funds available, I would be pushing for an expert, scientific

comparison analysis of the many examples we have of

Maybrickís formal handwriting against the handwriting in

the Diary.



Do I believe the Diary is an old hoax?

Do I believe the Diary is a new hoax?

Do I believe the Diary is the real deal?



I cannot, Iím afraid, answer any of those questions. I canít get that far

because the Diary is still a suspect document without a provenance.

Up until circa 2004 I accepted Anne Grahamís story, albeit it with reservations

as there was no evidential support. But, for me, it was the only game

in town. Mike Barrett had failed to conclusively prove he faked the

Diary. His sworn affidavits still stand though and cannot be ignored.

Moreover, Anneís story, no matter how strange the circumstances

and motive for her secreting the Diary to Mike via a third person who

she hoped would not reveal it came from her, at least took the

chain of transmission back to Tony Devereux and then back to her.

That is where the trail ended for me in 2002. In 2004, Bruce Robinson

commissioned me to help with the research on his book and very much

as a side issue just asked me to take another look into the Diaryís

provenance. We discussed the stories associated with the electricians.

I had not been part of Paul Feldmanís investigation into the electricians

and had accepted Paulís conclusion that they were just a bunch of shysters

out to fleece him for whatever money they could. But I had never fully

bothered myself with the reasons why Paul had eliminated the electricians

from his enquiries. It was only when I had sight of the timesheets and saw

the coincidence of that March 9th 1992 date( when work, apparently

involving floorboards being lifted in the room where James Maybrick died)

on the same day that Michael Barrett (using a false surname of ĎWilliamsí)

telephoned a London Literary Agent claiming he had the Diary of Jack The

Ripper, did I wonder whether the two events might be connected.) That was

the moment I began to seriously wonder why Paul Feldman had taken the

electricians out of the frame?



Somewhat feebly I always return to Paul Beggís three key questions posited

in 1992:-



Who wrote the Diary?

When was it written?

Why was it written?



Iím sorry if you donít find my reply satisfactory but perhaps it will give you

a glimpse into my position. I hope so.



What is your own answer to your three questions?



Best Wishes, Keith.
Thanks j for passing this along. I sure hope mr. skinners application gets accepted. Lol.

Thank you mr skinner for your response. And welcome!
My own answer to my questions will be painfully short. From everything Iíve heard and seen MB forged it, with possibly help of others. Itís a no brainer IMHO.

I look forward though to you joining the fray. Perhaps you may also contribute on these boards to other IMHO real mysteries?

Thanks again.
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What is the relevance of this? Lol
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I notice that Easter Sunday fell on the 19th April in 19992. The kids normally break up for a fortnight during Easter, a week before and a week after. So in effect the 10th April until the 27th April. Mike Barrett will have been relieved of his commitment of taking his daughter to and from school during this time, thus having more time on his hands than normal for that period.
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What is the relevance of this? Lol
Read RJ's subsequent post. The image looks like it might be extremely relevant.
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