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Old 01-16-2018, 04:05 PM
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I see what you are saying, Henry. And I would accept it more if there was just one of us - me - this deeply into the diary and its possible origins. You get that with the whackier ripper theories, where just one or two people get so stuck in their own groove of confirmation bias that it would take a hundred boy scouts to prise them out and a hundred more scout masters with big sticks to show them the error of their ways.

But there are many of us working on the finer details, checking each other's thinking against the available evidence, checking and rechecking what we actually know and what we still need to know and making sure we stay grounded.

It's not just about the diary text, and whether or not we think Mike was capable of writing it or even handling such a project. In fact it's hardly about that at all. It's almost all about examining the various things people have said and done and building up a picture of what was going on in the early 1990s: what is and what isn't relevant to the diary; what's possible within the known facts and, more importantly, trying to eliminate the impossible, again using the known facts, without resorting to guesswork.

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You completely failed to answer or address any of Henry's post, there, Caz.
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Old 01-16-2018, 04:08 PM
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it looks like it has large hairy mammalian protruberances.

the video is also an extremely good hoax IMHO.
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It's nowhere near to being a good hoax, Abby. They ballsed it up from the get-go with dodgy provenances, not to mention the fact that the sodding Bigfoot is wearing a diaper.
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It's nowhere near to being a good hoax, Abby. They ballsed it up from the get-go with dodgy provenances, not to mention the fact that the sodding Bigfoot is wearing a diaper.
Well when your nine, it was awesome. Lol
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It's nowhere near to being a good hoax, Abby. They ballsed it up from the get-go with dodgy provenances, not to mention the fact that the sodding Bigfoot is wearing a diaper.
But Mike, there's no way even the most sophisticated costumers could've manufactured a suit that convincing back in the medieval era - er, sorry, in 1967! It's just impossible. And also, look at the way Patty walks: sort of hunching down slightly: that's not how humans normally walk, and if that was a man in a suit they would obviously just walk in a completely normal walk and not try to disguise their gait at all.

Also, at about 3.04 in the unedited PGF if you look to the left of where Patty is disappearing into the woods you can clearly see there is a second gunman on the grassy knoll, just to the rear of the moon-landing props.
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It's nowhere near to being a good hoax, Abby. They ballsed it up from the get-go with dodgy provenances, not to mention the fact that the sodding Bigfoot is wearing a diaper.
You need to stop seeing the wood, Mike, and get lost in the trees.

The devil is in the details.

Sole demonstrated provenance? Part-time writer? Obtained a blank Victorian diary? Confessed to a role in the forgery?

Pah! Never mind that! Only a simpleton would fail to see that there is probably a deeper story hidden behind each of those facts, an explanation other than the obvious one. Look at these time sheets, and start riddling-out the various conflicting and meaningless statements by various electricians etc, none of which have been demonstrated to have a scintilla of truth to them, or any definitive relevance even if true.

Stop seeing the wood. You're not supposed to!
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Well when your nine, it was awesome. Lol
No doubt, lol. Don't get me wrong, in terms of what Patterson achieved, it was a stellar performance, but it wasn't really foolproof.

I love the analogy, though, because the "soppy, unintelligible cowboy" act worked a charm on the people who did buy it.
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But Mike, there's no way even the most sophisticated costumers could've manufactured a suit that convincing back in the medieval era - er, sorry, in 1967! It's just impossible. And also, look at the way Patty walks: sort of hunching down slightly: that's not how humans normally walk, and if that was a man in a suit they would obviously just walk in a completely normal walk and not try to disguise their gait at all.

Also, at about 3.04 in the unedited PGF if you look to the left of where Patty is disappearing into the woods you can clearly see there is a second gunman on the grassy knoll, just to the rear of the moon-landing props.
You'd be surprised what some people actually believe when it comes to the PGF, lol. A Second gunman on the grassy knoll isn't too far from some of the strange theories out there!

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You need to stop seeing the wood, Mike, and get lost in the trees.

The devil is in the details.

Sole demonstrated provenance? Part-time writer? Obtained a blank Victorian diary? Confessed to a role in the forgery?

Pah! Never mind that! Only a simpleton would fail to see that there is probably a deeper story hidden behind each of those facts, an explanation other than the obvious one. Look at these time sheets, and start riddling-out the various conflicting and meaningless statements by various electricians etc, none of which have been demonstrated to have a scintilla of truth to them, or any definitive relevance even if true.

Stop seeing the wood. You're not supposed to!
This is exactly my point, Henry; in that people will go out of their way to reason against the almost glaringly obvious, just because it doesn't fit their perceived and preferred notions of what must have happened.

It's a case of well let's ignore that for a second, and that, and that. A foolish road to go down is one in which you spend so much time pushing the most likely solutions to one side and giving the benefit of the doubt to the unreasonable, and we see it time and time again with the Maybrick farce, just as we do with literally every other area of general woo, such as Bigfoot, the moon landings, 9/11, aliens, Kennedy, etc.

People talk about coincidence, yet to accept that the diary is an older artifact, you've got to swallow coincidence after coincidence and go around the world to think up excuses for such silly things as pubs being known by untraceable nicknames, lol. "Some fella told me it was known as the Post House, but I don't think I can tell you his name or anything about him, but trust me, he was legit!"

And the beat goes on.
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Forget the Patterson film...meanwhile the discussion lingers on... Brain Rawes, Eddie Lyons, Paul Dodd, Paul Feldman, etc. etc. What a confusing mess.

Who's gonna straighten it all out? And when?
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Hi rj,

Yes, in the specific scenario whereby Anne takes an active part in either the composition or the writing out of the diary. I'd have told Mike to take a running jump. He'd have been on his own. In fact, I'd probably have phoned Doreen myself and said: "Don't believe him. He might sound plausible but he's just a very naughty boy - and a compulsive liar to boot".
This is interesting, because you're basically doing exactly what you accused David of doing, which was hypothesizing about certain scenarios based on what you feel, and how you would react or think in a particular situation.


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Ah, so you follow my own line of thinking, that Mike was only ever a "professional freelance journalist" in the loosest possible sense, and any work he submitted would have been done, or at least heavily tidied up, by his fool of a wife, and then presumably edited again by the magazine people before they accepted it for publication?
That's quite a lot of assuming you're doing there, Caz. Interesting. Another case of putting your own spin on things based on what you think, which, again, is what you claimed David was doing.
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Old 01-16-2018, 08:03 PM
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You seem to be judging Mike's truthfulness by what you personally find most likely to be true.
And you seem to be judging certain scenarios based on what you personally find most likely to be true. Is it just me, or is this a tedious exercise in futility?
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