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Old 12-16-2017, 03:44 AM
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The likeliest explanation was that he saw someone with Mary Jane Kelly who may have been her killer and Jack the Ripper.
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Old 12-16-2017, 05:17 AM
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Thankyou for that, what indication do you have that this Hutchinson was ever a Groom?
Hi Jon it states he was a groom on his wedding cert in 1874.
However after this in the census he was a butcher. His wife worked on the market.

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Old 12-16-2017, 07:20 AM
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"And, if you can think of this then why couldn't anyone else, like a detective?"

Nice one, Wick. One of the best comments ever on a Hutchinson thread (or any other thread for that matter). Pretty much puts the whole Hutch thing in perspective.

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Old 12-16-2017, 01:10 PM
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Hi Robert.
I think the easy answer to that is to ask "why?"
Is Hutchinson so inept he can't even think up details by himself, he has to refer to newspaper stories for inspiration?
And, if you can think of this then why couldn't anyone else, like a detective?

Would you need to look at a newspaper to help you come up with details?, or could you do this all by yourself?

The footwear most worn by the ordinary working man was the boot, hobnail boots. Old army boots picked up from second-hand shops. So most men could be heard coming, but if you wore anything else, like dress shoes, then you "walked softly", because no-one would hear you coming.

Jon, the "dress shoe" of the period had hard leather soles and heels, they would be if anything, louder than boot soles on cobblestones.

And clearly Hutchinson didnt need any help with embellishments, he quite obviously did just fine in that regard on his own.
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Old 12-16-2017, 01:12 PM
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Hi Jon it states he was a groom on his wedding cert in 1874.
However after this in the census he was a butcher. His wife worked on the market.

Pat....
Thankyou Pat, that does make a significant difference, in my opinion.

Mind you, considering what happened to Mary, the fact this Hutch (if he is the witness?), became a butcher might send some theorists into a frenzy
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Old 12-16-2017, 01:15 PM
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One thing that is abundantly clear is that Hutchinsons statement Monday night had nothing to do with aiding the police, nor catching Marys killer. Waiting 4 days is ample reason for this position,...any suspect could be half way around the globe let alone anywhere in the UK by that time. It was definitely not intended to aid police in the investigation of a murder of someone the witness claimed to know, and befriend on occasion.

So...now that any altruistic element is dispensed with, lets see what other half baked ideas people come up with. Frankly, Ive already given you the most probable reason....its one we dont know. He gave his statement for reasons known to himself, and not to help catch a killer. That in and of itself should cause anyone to hesitate before accepting a miraculously detailed suspect description....since it had no bearing on actually assisting the police anyway.
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Old 12-16-2017, 01:18 PM
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Jon, the "dress shoe" of the period had hard leather soles and heels, they would be if anything, louder than boot soles on cobblestones.

And clearly Hutchinson didnt need any help with embellishments, he quite obviously did just fine in that regard on his own.
I appreciate the point you are making Michael, but hobnail boots are studded with nails, which make a series of click's on contact with cobblestones at every step. This is why a constable on his beat could be heard a good distance away.
Whereas well-worn leather dress-shoes tends to go soft after time.
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Old 12-16-2017, 01:28 PM
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I appreciate the point you are making Michael, but hobnail boots are studded with nails, which make a series of click's on contact with cobblestones at every step. This is why a constable on his beat could be heard a good distance away.
Whereas well-worn leather dress-shoes tends to go soft after time.
If someone could afford a dress shoe during that period, then why would we assume he wears them till the heel is worn away and soft? Unless he buys them used, which contrasts the opulence of the rest of the description.

And the hobnail boot heel doesnt wear down exposing the nail heads, from use, the nails are embedded deeper in the leather, or the head is worn away.
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Old 12-16-2017, 01:34 PM
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"And, if you can think of this then why couldn't anyone else, like a detective?"

Nice one, Wick. One of the best comments ever on a Hutchinson thread (or any other thread for that matter). Pretty much puts the whole Hutch thing in perspective.

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Hi c.d.

I've heard nothing suggested against Hutchinson that a well trained detective couldn't have thought of at the time.
So all these, "hey, what-if.....", always amount to nothing.

This isn't the first time someone has suggested Hutchinson scoured the newspapers for details to help him make up a composite character.
Does anyone 'seriously', think they couldn't describe a make-believe character all by themselves?, and if they can, then why not Hutchinson?

Hutchinson described a gold watch chain with a red seal, buttoned boots and gaiters, horseshoe tie-pin - do we read of any of those details in some newspaper? - No.
So if he can think of those ostentatious? details all by himself, why not something so mundane as "walking softly"?
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Old 12-16-2017, 01:38 PM
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If someone could afford a dress shoe during that period, then why would we assume he wears them till the heel is worn away and soft? Unless he buys them used, which contrasts the opulence of the rest of the description.

And the hobnail boot heel doesnt wear down exposing the nail heads, from use, the nails are embedded deeper in the leather, or the head is worn away.
Michael. this is what hobnail boots look like....


http://glencoemountaineer.blogspot.c...iled-boot.html
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