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Old 11-18-2017, 03:20 PM
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jerry it matches how the killer seemed to like to dump over railings. my london geography is terrible but it looks like this was near to the 83 tottenham torso?
Yes, it was in the vicinity of Charles LeGrand's one time residence on Charlotte Street and the house on Cleveland Street where Charles Hammond was running his male brothel. It was also close to Fitzroy Square where a part of the Tottenham torso was deposited.

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Why would the bloody clothes be dumped over the railings rather than thrown in the trash, they were in a brown paper parcel after all? i'm not sure i'm aware of what the london garbage system was like
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Old 11-18-2017, 03:30 PM
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where there ever any male dismembered victims in London between say 1870 and 1900?
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It would be better, perhaps, if we referred specifically to the "Tottenham Court Road" torso, rather than the "Tottenham" torso. There's quite a difference - Tottenham Court Road being in postal area W1, and Tottenham out in the sticks in N17. I know, because I've lived in both post-codes: North Row and Grafton Way (W1) and Scales Road (N17)... there's quite a hike between them
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What I am after is how we sometimes have a propensity to make shining heroes of abominable people, Abby.
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It would be better, perhaps, if we referred specifically to the "Tottenham Court Road" torso, rather than the "Tottenham" torso. There's quite a difference - Tottenham Court Road being in postal area W1, and Tottenham out in the sticks in N17. I know, because I've lived in both post-codes: North Row and Grafton Way (W1) and Scales Road (N17)... there's quite a hike between them
Yes that's why I included the year '83 to distinguish. but thank you for clarifying, its helpful to have someone here who knows the geography so well.
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Yes, it was in the vicinity of Charles LeGrand's one time residence on Charlotte Street and the house on Cleveland Street where Charles Hammond was running his male brothel. It was also close to Fitzroy Square where a part of the Tottenham torso was deposited.



Good question.
Hm perhaps he thought the parcel wouldn't be found there? I imagine he might have been worried the clothes could be traced back to him, but if he wanted to could he have thrown it away in a public trash can? the body parts meager found, were they dumped into a trash bin he emptied into his cart? if so perhaps the killer was avoiding trash bins? again it all goes back to my point of how hard it was to make things disappear in London.
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Hm perhaps he thought the parcel wouldn't be found there? I imagine he might have been worried the clothes could be traced back to him, but if he wanted to could he have thrown it away in a public trash can? the body parts meager found, were they dumped into a trash bin he emptied into his cart? if so perhaps the killer was avoiding trash bins? again it all goes back to my point of how hard it was to make things disappear in London.
The interesting thing about this set of clothes is they were underclothes and drab in color. Then thrown in were a collar and cuffs. The collar and cuffs seem like addons to an outfit. Like a disguise. And it's almost like whoever owned these underclothes was down to his skivvies when he got blood all over them.
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The interesting thing about this set of clothes is they were underclothes and drab in color. Then thrown in were a collar and cuffs. The collar and cuffs seem like addons to an outfit. Like a disguise. And it's almost like whoever owned these underclothes was down to his skivvies when he got blood all over them.
So he gets the victim in an intimate situation, kills them and then immediately goes to work on dismembering them, like Mary Kelly? was the victim killed nearby? were the clothes dumped the same time?

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Yes that's why I included the year '83 to distinguish. but thank you for clarifying, its helpful to have someone here who knows the geography so well.
I meant 1884 here
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I don’t
I wouldn´t propose to know whether you do or whether you don´t, Abby, and I wasn´t referring to you in any way. I was pointing to how media has a propensity to give names to serial killers that sound as if they came from some of the Avengers movies, how they describe them as criminal masterminds and how the general public (understandably) follow suit.

That´s what I don´t like.
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