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Old 10-19-2017, 01:08 PM
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I wonder if Lawson Tait or the journalist was actually just pulling someone's leg?
It was around the time of the Pinchin Street torso inquest there were the rumours printed in the press that the 'features and peculiarities' of the work of a well known and highly regarded surgeon had been recognised by a doctor involved in the case. Perhaps this was a joke counter to that idea?
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Old 10-19-2017, 01:13 PM
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What is mind-boggling is the hypocrisy of this post and the extent to which you misrepresent Gareth's position.

Elsewhere you described those who opposed Gareth's views as 'buffoons' and 'clowns'. Over here in your little comfort bubble you are gleefully throwing around words like 'absurd' 'ridiculous' and 'mind-boggling' while, presumably deliberately, misquoting him.

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Gareth did not say or imply that Tait had ' to see the wounds on the bodies to be able to make any kind of statement on there (sic) nature and similarities'. What he asked was how, not having seen the wounds himself he 'could have arrived at anything like an informed conclusion on such matters.'

You do see the difference, don't you? I'll leave it to your obviously well-developed sense of fair play to decide whether you retract your comments and issue an apology to Gareth.
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Personally, I would find it ridiculous, absurd and mind-boggling for anyone to deny that a physician who had personally examined the injuries would be in a far better position to draw conclusions about their origins than someone who had merely read a report.
Hi Muppet

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What is mind-boggling is the hypocrisy of this post and the extent to which you misrepresent Gareth's position.
I haven't misrepresented anything. Only a muppet would think that.

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Elsewhere you described those who opposed Gareth's views as 'buffoons' and 'clowns'. Over here in your little comfort bubble you are gleefully throwing around words like 'absurd' 'ridiculous' and 'mind-boggling' while, presumably deliberately, misquoting him.
I haven't misquoted him at all. whenever I quote someone I use the quote function(like above) or put there exact quotation in quotation marks Like "this". But being a muppet, I can see how you are confused.

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Gareth did not say or imply that Tait had ' to see the wounds on the bodies to be able to make any kind of statement on there (sic) nature and similarities'. What he asked was how, not having seen the wounds himself he 'could have arrived at anything like an informed conclusion on such matters.'

You do see the difference, don't you? I'll leave it to your obviously well-developed sense of fair play to decide whether you retract your comments and issue an apology to Gareth.
No your right- I do owe Sam and apology. Sam. I am sorry you are being defended by a muppet.

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Personally, I would find it ridiculous, absurd and mind-boggling for anyone to deny that a physician who had personally examined the injuries would be in a far better position to draw conclusions about their origins than someone who had merely read a report.
so would I-thus I never said that.LOL. talk about about misrepresenting (and hypocrisy).

Now do you want to discuss the topic of this thread, or as David so aptly said when you cowardly refuse to engage him in debate on his Maybrick article-
"rather than amusing yourself with daft comments about me."

if not then its off to your little Muppet Hole with you, theres a good muppet.
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Old 10-19-2017, 01:18 PM
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I wonder if Lawson Tait or the journalist was actually just pulling someone's leg?
It was around the time of the Pinchin Street torso inquest there were the rumours printed in the press that the 'features and peculiarities' of the work of a well known and highly regarded surgeon had been recognised by a doctor involved in the case. Perhaps this was a joke counter to that idea?
Hi Debs
You know now that I think of it is that a possibility? But would a Dr or a paper/reporter risk there reputation by doing something like this?

But I see where your coming from with his saying he can tell the difference between butchers where theyre from and that the killer was a female.
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Old 10-19-2017, 01:27 PM
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Hi Debs
You know now that I think of it is that a possibility? But would a Dr or a paper/reporter risk there reputation by doing something like this?

But I see where your coming from with his saying he can tell the difference between butchers where theyre from and that the killer was a female.
I'm not sure, Abby. Just thought I'd toss it in but I do know that Lawson Tait sometimes came in for criticism over his radical female surgeries and although I don't have a reference, at the back of my mind I seem to recall an instance where Tait's work was likened to that of the Ripper as part of that criticism. Perhaps the surgeon who was the subject of the rumours was Lawson Tait? Or maybe he thought he was the subject? Perhaps he was getting his own back? Good point about the journalist though. Journalists often used satire, perhaps it fell in to that category?
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Hi Muppet


I haven't misrepresented anything. Only a muppet would think that.



I haven't misquoted him at all. whenever I quote someone I use the quote function(like above) or put there exact quotation in quotation marks Like "this". But being a muppet, I can see how you are confused.



No your right- I do owe Sam and apology. Sam. I am sorry you are being defended by a muppet.



so would I-thus I never said that.LOL. talk about about misrepresenting (and hypocrisy).

Now do you want to discuss the topic of this thread, or as David so aptly said when you cowardly refuse to engage him in debate on his Maybrick article-
"rather than amusing yourself with daft comments about me."

if not then its off to your little Muppet Hole with you, theres a good muppet.
Abby,

Wow! Such eloquence. I can see why you prefer the cut and thrust of debate over here.

But it's a pity that you can't see - or refuse to admit - that you misrepresented Gareth. I accused you of 'misquoting' him - you can't do that via the 'quote function' as far as I'm aware. You took his original words and replaced them with words that had a different meaning, giving the impression that they were his words or at the very least his meaning. But I won't labour the point, endlessly, in the style of your mentor.

I rarely read anything by Kermit or Pierre. I hadn't realised that yet another piss up the wall challenge had been issued. The way Tom was Trolled over the Millows issue by the Orsam One was disgraceful. No doubt you were s******ing up your Abnormal sleeve.

You do remember that Gareth's point was essentially that someone who had carried out an autopsy would be better placed than someone who wasn't there to draw conclusions from it? Do you recall your response to that? Perhaps you should read more slowly.

Congratulations, though, it looks like you're on course for an A* at Troll school. You had a great teacher no doubt.

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You'll notice I haven't had the confidence to use the word Muppet even once in my response. Can you recommend a course I can take in puerile insults? All the better if it's run by a really Orsam teacher.

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Old 10-19-2017, 03:42 PM
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Abby,

Wow! Such eloquence. I can see why you prefer the cut and thrust of debate over here.

But it's a pity that you can't see - or refuse to admit - that you misrepresented Gareth. I accused you of 'misquoting' him - you can't do that via the 'quote function' as far as I'm aware. You took his original words and replaced them with words that had a different meaning, giving the impression that they were his words or at the very least his meaning. But I won't labour the point, endlessly, in the style of your mentor.

I rarely read anything by Kermit or Pierre. I hadn't realised that yet another piss up the wall challenge had been issued. The way Tom was Trolled over the Millows issue by the Orsam One was disgraceful. No doubt you were s******ing up your Abnormal sleeve.

You do remember that Gareth's point was essentially that someone who had carried out an autopsy would be better placed than someone who wasn't there to draw conclusions from it? Do you recall your response to that? Perhaps you should read more slowly.

Congratulations, though, it looks like you're on course for an A* at Troll school. You had a great teacher no doubt.

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You'll notice I haven't had the confidence to use the word Muppet even once in my response. Can you recommend a course I can take in puerile insults? All the better if it's run by a really Orsam teacher.
Haha. Angry muppets are funny.
Back to the diary defending Muppet circle jerk for you.
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Old 10-19-2017, 03:58 PM
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Haha. Angry muppets are funny.
Back to the diary defending Muppet circle jerk for you.
Shakespeare? Obviously not a direct quote - an Abnormal paraphrase, perhaps?

Have you had enough of the puerile insult back and forth started by you and your mentor?
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I'm not sure, Abby. Just thought I'd toss it in but I do know that Lawson Tait sometimes came in for criticism over his radical female surgeries and although I don't have a reference, at the back of my mind I seem to recall an instance where Tait's work was likened to that of the Ripper as part of that criticism. Perhaps the surgeon who was the subject of the rumours was Lawson Tait? Or maybe he thought he was the subject? Perhaps he was getting his own back? Good point about the journalist though. Journalists often used satire, perhaps it fell in to that category?
Thanks Debs

Interesting ideas. But I guess I’m struggling with the idea that a respected doctor would engage in satire in a paper, and if he didn’t wouldn’t it at least labeled as such or in special section at least??

It is an odd piece though, to say the least.
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Very much looking forward to reading those, Steve. I've spent much time trying to catch up on this thread, and I'm dreaming of random murders. It may be almost refreshing to return to poor Polly.
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