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Old 10-17-2017, 04:02 AM
Joshua Rogan Joshua Rogan is offline
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Thanks Jerryd.

I read from the link you give that,

'All the inmates are called upon to make a statement as to their last employment, and the cause of their misfortune, which is afterwards inquired into'

If this was the truth, between needing a reference of present employment or none needed at all, I wonder how they would have dealt with Thompson. His last and only employment, apart from with his editor from the middle of 1888 was with the shoemaker who fired him after Thompson inured one of his customer. The shoemaker said that of all those he employed Thompson was his only failure.
The link, after the extract you posted, goes on to say;

"t must be distinctly understood however that the poor applicant is not kept waiting for relief, but is lodged and fed, whilst the investigation is proceeding."
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:11 AM
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The link, after the extract you posted, goes on to say;

"t must be distinctly understood however that the poor applicant is not kept waiting for relief, but is lodged and fed, whilst the investigation is proceeding."
Elsewhere It was said that if there was room, no deserving case was ever turned away. Thompson had studied for the priesthood - but according to Richard he would not have appeared a deserving case to the nuns at the refuge.
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:36 AM
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What it all boils down to is that we have no idea whether Thompson was in Spitalfields in 1888 or whether he carried a dissecting knife during his homeless period. He was a clumsy individual who was a heavy smoker and had a couple of accidents involving fire. He seems to have been genuinely fond of the Chelsea prostitute who took him under her wing and when she disappeared he searched for her in the West End. Walsh dates the search to Aug/Sept,1888. And he places Thompson in hospital for approx 6 weeks starting at some point in October, 1888.

I shan't comment on this subject again.

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Old 10-17-2017, 05:55 PM
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Let's suppose at it's worst, that the theory that Francis Thompson was Jack the Ripper is all maybe and might, none come from thin air.

Thompson might have had a dissecting scalpel at the time - an idea got from the fact that he wrote a letter in February 1889 stating that he had shaved with a dissecting scalpel 'before now.

Thompson might have stayed at Providence Row - an idea got from an article in which he described applying to stay there and from a respected biographer that stated that he often gravitated there, seeking shelter.

Thompson might have stayed in November 1888 - and idea got from the fact that it opened on the start of November each year and that the practice was that applicant were reference checked on past employment. Thompson was not able to provide a good reference until November of 1888.

Thompson might have hated his prostitute that left him and had a motive to kill prostitutes - an idea got from the fact that his only story involved a woman who is killed with a knife. His only play involved a prostitute who was killed with a bayonet. He wrote poetry, even before 1888, in which described a corrupt women being disemboweled. His favorite prose to read was about a women is seduced by a man pretending to stab her in the heart with a sword.
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Old 10-17-2017, 06:16 PM
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Default Thompson being the Ripper is not a new idea.

The idea that Francis Thompson might have been Jack the Ripper is an old one. John Walsh in his 1967 biography "Strange Harp Strange Symphony. The Life of Francis Thompson." wrote:

‘During the very weeks he was searching for his prostitute friend, London was in an uproar over the ghastly deaths of five such women at the hands of Jack the Ripper ... The police threw a wide net over the city, investigating thousands of drifters, and known consorts with the city’s lower elements, and it is not beyond possibility that Thompson himself may have been questioned. He was, after all, a drug addict, acquainted with prostitutes and, most alarming, a former medical student! A young man with a similar background and living only a block away from McMaster’s shop was one who early came under suspicion.'

The young man with the similar background, that Walsh referred to, was the mentally ill ex-medical student that Major Henry Smith of the City police questioned for the murders. The Macmaster shop was a shoe shop that Thompson worked in for a brief time before the murders.

The idea that Thompson was Jack the Ripper continued with Doctor Joseph Rupp, an American forensic pathologist. His article "Was Francis Thompson Jack the Ripper?" was published in the UK journal The Criminologist, in 1988. Dr Rupp had this to say in his article.

‘Francis Thompson spent six years in medical school, in effect, he went through medical school three times. It is unlikely, no matter how disinterested he was or how few lectures he attended, that he did not absorb a significant amount of medical knowledge. Indeed, we know that he learned enough medicine to deceive his father, a practicing physician, for a matter of six years ... The Ripper was able to elude the police so many times in spite of the complete mobilisation of many volunteer groups and the law enforcement agencies in London. If we look at Thompson’s background, having lived on the streets for three years prior to this series of crimes, there is no doubt that he knew the back streets of London intimately and that his attire and condition as a derelict and drug addict would not arouse suspicion as he moved by day and night through the East End of London ... Francis Thompson was at least as good and perhaps a far better candidate for the role of Jack the Ripper than was the Duke of Clarence or any number of suspects that have been put forward over the past one hundred years.’
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Old 10-18-2017, 05:19 AM
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A shame that a talented poet's legacy has become that of a half-baked Ripper suspect.
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A shame that a talented poet's legacy has become that of a half-baked Ripper suspect.
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Old 10-18-2017, 05:40 AM
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Well said!
I have to agree with this. I know a lot of posters here that I respect give FT a shot but no. Hes one of the "non-suspects" in my book. another modern suspect trying to be fit up as the ripper who has absolutely ZERO ties to the case whatsoever.
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Old 10-18-2017, 06:54 AM
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The idea that Francis Thompson might have been Jack the Ripper is an old one. John Walsh in his 1967 biography "Strange Harp Strange Symphony. The Life of Francis Thompson." wrote:

‘During the very weeks he was searching for his prostitute friend, London was in an uproar over the ghastly deaths of five such women at the hands of Jack the Ripper ... The police threw a wide net over the city, investigating thousands of drifters, and known consorts with the city’s lower elements, and it is not beyond possibility that Thompson himself may have been questioned. He was, after all, a drug addict, acquainted with prostitutes and, most alarming, a former medical student! A young man with a similar background and living only a block away from McMaster’s shop was one who early came under suspicion.'

The young man with the similar background, that Walsh referred to, was the mentally ill ex-medical student that Major Henry Smith of the City police questioned for the murders. The Macmaster shop was a shoe shop that Thompson worked in for a brief time before the murders.

The idea that Thompson was Jack the Ripper continued with Doctor Joseph Rupp, an American forensic pathologist. His article "Was Francis Thompson Jack the Ripper?" was published in the UK journal The Criminologist, in 1988. Dr Rupp had this to say in his article.

‘Francis Thompson spent six years in medical school, in effect, he went through medical school three times. It is unlikely, no matter how disinterested he was or how few lectures he attended, that he did not absorb a significant amount of medical knowledge. Indeed, we know that he learned enough medicine to deceive his father, a practicing physician, for a matter of six years ... The Ripper was able to elude the police so many times in spite of the complete mobilisation of many volunteer groups and the law enforcement agencies in London. If we look at Thompson’s background, having lived on the streets for three years prior to this series of crimes, there is no doubt that he knew the back streets of London intimately and that his attire and condition as a derelict and drug addict would not arouse suspicion as he moved by day and night through the East End of London ... Francis Thompson was at least as good and perhaps a far better candidate for the role of Jack the Ripper than was the Duke of Clarence or any number of suspects that have been put forward over the past one hundred years.’
I have one observation with regards to this article. Thompson is described as a derelict, a drug addict. If that be correct then his dress, and demeanour would also fit with the description of him.

I have to ask would a prostitute even of the lower class even proposition such a person? and if they did, and that person was interested, it would be "show me the money first", which a derelict and drug addict would surely not be able to do.

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Somehow he managed to appear like a sailor and a shabby genteel.

Can somebody go in and out at Providence row at all times in 1888?
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