Casebook: Jack the Ripper - Main
   

Introduction
Victims
Suspects
Witnesses
Ripper Letters
Police Officials
Official Documents
Press Reports
Victorian London
Message Boards
Ripper Media
Authors
Dissertations
Timelines
Games & Diversions
Photo Archive
Ripper Wiki
Casebook Examiner
Ripper Podcast
About the Casebook

Most Recent Posts:
Conferences and Meetings: American Jack the Ripper - True Crime Conference, Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018 - by Abby Normal 1 minute ago.
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - by Abby Normal 8 minutes ago.
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - by elmore 77 13 minutes ago.
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - by MrBarnett 35 minutes ago.
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - by jerryd 2 hours ago.
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - by MrBarnett 2 hours ago.

Most Popular Threads:
Motive, Method and Madness: Same motive = same killer - (22 posts)
Conferences and Meetings: American Jack the Ripper - True Crime Conference, Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018 - (6 posts)
Non-Ripper Books by Ripper Authors: Mob Town by John Bennett - (1 posts)
Non-Fiction: Jack the Poet - (1 posts)
Thompson, Francis: Jack the Poet - (1 posts)
Martha Tabram: Probibility of Martha Tabram Being a JtR Victim - (1 posts)

Wiki Updates:
Robert Sagar
Edit: Chris
May 9, 2015, 12:32 am
Online newspaper archives
Edit: Chris
Nov 26, 2014, 10:25 am
Joseph Lawende
Edit: Chris
Mar 9, 2014, 10:12 am
Miscellaneous research resources
Edit: Chris
Feb 13, 2014, 9:28 am
Charles Cross
Edit: John Bennett
Sep 4, 2013, 8:20 pm

Most Recent Blogs:
Mike Covell: A DECADE IN THE MAKING.
February 19, 2016, 11:12 am.
Chris George: RipperCon in Baltimore, April 8-10, 2016
February 10, 2016, 2:55 pm.
Mike Covell: Hull Prison Visit
October 10, 2015, 8:04 am.
Mike Covell: NEW ADVENTURES IN RESEARCH
August 9, 2015, 3:10 am.
Mike Covell: UPDDATES FOR THE PAST 11 MONTHS
November 14, 2014, 10:02 am.
Mike Covell: Mike’s Book Releases
March 17, 2014, 3:18 am.

Go Back   Casebook Forums > Ripper Discussions > Letters and Communications > Goulston Street Graffito

View Poll Results: Did Jack write the GSG?
YES 74 38.34%
NO 119 61.66%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #2631  
Old 10-10-2017, 03:58 PM
Wickerman Wickerman is offline
Commisioner
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,796
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
The thing is that the inspector also viewed the GSG with Long, so the coroner may be referring to a report made by the inspector, rather than Long's report to him.
Yet, there was no Met. Inspector as a witness at the Eddowes inquest. So where did the coroner get the inspectors own report from?
Did PC Long bring it with him?

Consistent with your suggestion is a question by the Coroner as given in the Daily Telegraph:
[Coroner] But why did the inspector write "Jews"?
[Long] I cannot say.

Write it where? - presumably in this "Inspectors Report", but the inspector is said to have remarked that Jews was spelt J-u-w-e-s?

So the inspector saw PC Long write J-e-w-s, and corrected him to write J-u-w-e-s, then the inspector himself writes J-e-w-s in his own report?
This does not instill a whole lot of confidence.

How do you see it?
__________________
Regards, Jon S.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2632  
Old 10-11-2017, 03:48 AM
Joshua Rogan Joshua Rogan is offline
Inspector
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,390
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wickerman View Post
Yet, there was no Met. Inspector as a witness at the Eddowes inquest. So where did the coroner get the inspectors own report from?
Did PC Long bring it with him?

Consistent with your suggestion is a question by the Coroner as given in the Daily Telegraph:
[Coroner] But why did the inspector write "Jews"?
[Long] I cannot say.

Write it where? - presumably in this "Inspectors Report", but the inspector is said to have remarked that Jews was spelt J-u-w-e-s?

So the inspector saw PC Long write J-e-w-s, and corrected him to write J-u-w-e-s, then the inspector himself writes J-e-w-s in his own report?
This does not instill a whole lot of confidence.

How do you see it?
Yes, it all seems a bit of a muddle!
I would have said that Long was reading from notes of his notes, but the only way I can think that the coroner was aware of the 'inspectors report' is if that was what Long was reading from. Unless the coroner was privy to more evidence than was given in the court. Or he got the wrong impression somehow and Long's "I cannot say" is his way of not contradicting him?
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2633  
Old 10-11-2017, 10:32 AM
Sleuth1888 Sleuth1888 is offline
Constable
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 73
Default

The IWMES are the Men that Will not be Blamed for Nothing.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2634  
Old 10-11-2017, 11:49 AM
Abby Normal Abby Normal is online now
Commisioner
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 5,072
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth1888 View Post
The IWMES are the Men that Will not be Blamed for Nothing.
Brilliant!
__________________
"Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"

-Edgar Allan Poe


"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

-Frederick G. Abberline
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2635  
Old 10-11-2017, 12:47 PM
Sleuth1888 Sleuth1888 is offline
Constable
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 73
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abby Normal View Post
Brilliant!
Hi Abby.

Thank Tom Wescott for that, he was the one who came up with that unique interpretation, I'm merely representing his opinion for him.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2636  
Old 10-12-2017, 11:29 PM
etenguy etenguy is offline
Detective
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth1888 View Post
Hi Abby.

Thank Tom Wescott for that, he was the one who came up with that unique interpretation, I'm merely representing his opinion for him.
If he is correct, it would certainly strongly point to the Ripper as the author of the GSG. It really is a shame no photo record of the graffito was made.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2637  
Old 10-12-2017, 11:36 PM
Sam Flynn Sam Flynn is offline
Casebook Supporter
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wales
Posts: 8,624
Default

Re IWMES, who writes an acronym in lower case, cursive script?
__________________
Kind regards, Sam Flynn

"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2638  
Old 10-13-2017, 03:15 AM
Herlock Sholmes Herlock Sholmes is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: The West Midlands
Posts: 921
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleuth1888 View Post
The IWMES are the Men that Will not be Blamed for Nothing.
I can't believe that you are trying to blame The Isle of Wight Model Engineering Society for these crimes
__________________
Regards

Herlock






"There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact!"
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2639  
Old 10-13-2017, 11:57 AM
etenguy etenguy is offline
Detective
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 123
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Flynn View Post
Re IWMES, who writes an acronym in lower case, cursive script?
I think you are probably right, but just to play devil's advocate, some acronyms become so well known they are written as words, eg Radar. Unlikely in this case, but just on the edge of possibility.
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
  #2640  
Old 10-13-2017, 12:20 PM
Sam Flynn Sam Flynn is offline
Casebook Supporter
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wales
Posts: 8,624
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by etenguy View Post
I think you are probably right, but just to play devil's advocate, some acronyms become so well known they are written as words, eg Radar. Unlikely in this case, but just on the edge of possibility.
Good point, but I honestly doubt whether "IWMES" was ever used to refer to the Berner Street club. "Eye Double-You Em Ee Ess" doesn't exactly trip off the tongue. "Hey, Hymie! Do you fancy comin' down the Eye Double-Yew Em Ee Ess tonight for a sing-song?"

It would never catch on.
__________________
Kind regards, Sam Flynn

"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
Quick reply to this message Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 02:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.