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How could it have gone in the wrong list when the first list made up was the clothing she was wearing. They hadn't got to the other lists yet

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So you saw the lists being drawn up?
You have evidence to support they were written up on the spot and not later ?

Of course not.


It is perfectly possible that the lists are not foolproof.
It's so revealing how some items are beyond reproach for you, while others from the same source are dismissed.

And I see still not addressing the issue of locked or open mortuary..


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Perhaps Trevor can post a scan of the accompanying text here? I and a few others will be pleased to translate it.
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Thank you. Translation anyone?
Anything which says as found at crime scene and nothing moved or rearranged?

And of course it still shows nothing like that suggested of the Ripper Victims.
So somewhat irrelevant anyway.

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Thank you. Translation anyone?
Anything which says as found at crime scene and nothing moved or rearranged?

And of course it still shows nothing like that suggested of the Ripper Victims.
So somewhat irrelevant anyway.

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It shows that intestines can recoil outwards, and it infers that Eddowes intestines could have recoiled out even further than those shown in the picture having regards to the fact that her abdominal opening went right up to the sternum. So very relevant !

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Thanks Trevor. The caption says:

"Lust murder on a 13½ year old girl. The victim on the dissection table. The entrails have come out of their own accord. Schilling otherwise did nothing to the child"
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It shows that intestines can recoil outwards, and it infers that Eddowes intestines could have recoiled out even further than those shown in the picture having regards to the fact that her abdominal opening went right up to the sternum. So very relevant !

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Not at all Trevor, no one has ever denied they may have recoiled, just that it is unlikely to be what you suggest. I see no medical support for your view that the intestines could end up by the shoulder, with the attached blood vessels also detached.
Once again thinking backed by nothing.

The picture if showing a body without being disturbed or touched does not back the theory, for want of a better word, you propose.

And the larger the opening the degree of recoil is likely to be reduced, not increased.

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Thanks Trevor. The caption says:

"Lust murder on a 13½ year old girl. The victim on the dissection table. The entrails have slipped out of their own accord. Schilling otherwise did nothing to the child"
Thanks Gareth, so on a discepting table, not scene of crime, the intestines moved under own force, probably as result of being moved.

In addition no details on wound, the picture shows little but the wound could be large or small, no way of knowing unless included in text.

Do we know from the Text Trevor if the body was found naked or was she dressed or partially dressed, the Text may not give details of course.

It is possible Nichols was the same.


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It shows that intestines can recoil outwards, and it infers that Eddowes intestines could have recoiled out even further than those shown in the picture having regards to the fact that her abdominal opening went right up to the sternum. So very relevant !
But, Trevor, intestines aren't coiled springs. No matter how long the abdominal wound is, the intestines certainly aren't going to shoot out and land on the victim's shoulder.
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Thanks Gareth, so on a discepting table, not scene of crime, the intestines moved under own force, probably as result of being moved.
I've edited my post, Steve. I can't really translate precisely what "herausgetreten" means; it literally means "stepped out", but could mean "slipped out". I've settled for "come out" in the end. Whether they stepped, slipped or simply "came out", it's clear that they did so of their own accord ("von selbst herausgetreten").
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I've edited my post, Steve. I can't really translate precisely what "herausgetreten" means; it literally means "stepped out", but could mean "slipped out". I've settled for "come out" in the end. Whether they stepped, slipped or simply "came out", it's clear that they did so of their own accord ("von selbst herausgetreten").
Which considering the body was moved no one will argue with I am sure.


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