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Does anybody know the origin of the word "Battlecrease"? I've never seen it recorded anywhere else.
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Does anybody know the origin of the word "Battlecrease"? I've never seen it recorded anywhere else.
There are a few houses called Battlecrease or "Battlecrease Hall" in England. I can't find anything in the OED that might explain what it means, but I have found an apparent reference in the Bhagavad Gita:

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The Kuru refered to were warriors, so - in this context at least - it might suggest that a "battle crease" was some kind of military formation.
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Does anybody know the origin of the word "Battlecrease"? I've never seen it recorded anywhere else.
One meaning of crease is a light wound or graze, so possibly could be Battlescar? Weird name for a house though.

Also, apparently, Romanian conjugate of "create", so might mean it was Battle born?
I'm not sure James or Florrie spoke much Romanian, though.
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One meaning of crease is a light wound or graze, so possibly could be Battlescar? Weird name for a house though.
Not so weird, perhaps, if one (or more) of the original "Battlecreases", e.g. the Grade II listed Battlecrease Hall in Shepperton, Surrey, was built by a military man?
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I'm not sure James or Florrie spoke much Romanian, though.
Maybe they got the idea after seeing one of the other houses so named.
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battle ridge or trench?
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PS. Barrett also wrote an unpublished novel for children, "Danny the Dolphin." I remember the P.I. Grey beating him up over it, as it was supposedly an example of Mike's lack of writing skill. "It was %$$@# Mike! It was #@$%%!" I felt sorry for the guy.
I'll bet it was no worse than "Budgie The Little Helicopter".
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Thanks. all, for the various suggestions as to the possible meaning of Battlecrease.
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Thanks. all, for the various suggestions as to the possible meaning of Battlecrease.
Come on folks, it's staring you in the face. 'Battlecrease' is an anagram

'Scalee Barett' - Barrett the Scally. The answer has been there all along, in scouse no less. Now the question we need to answer is, how did Mike Barrett manage to inveigle a clue to his own authorship into the name of a house that has existed since long before his birth, let alone his forgery?

And we still think he was just an untalented nobody? Come on, people! Dark forces are at work, wheels within wheels....
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Here's a new one!

Diary, p44: "Am I not a clever fellow. Out foxed them all, they will never know"

Earliest cited example for "outfox" in the Oxford English Dictionary is in 1962.

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All five examples came from American/Canadian publications or authors. I don't know when the expression first came into common usage in Britain, but I'd imagine it was rather later.
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Letter published in the Lincolnshire newspaper, the Boston Guardian of 9 December 1893, from a J.P. O'Donoghue (referencing the use of John Fox's 'Book of Martyrs'), contains the sentence:

"Yes, he has proudly, - in the last years of the XIXth century, - out-foxed Fox himself."
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