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I think that Kate may have been killed because she threatened to squeal on a killer
Who but the killer of Polly and Annie would be threatened by this offhand (and uncorroborated) remark?
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Who but the killer of Polly and Annie would be threatened by this offhand (and uncorroborated) remark?
And who but the killer of Polly & Annie would be in the mood for evisceration and organ removal? Lest we forget that Eddowes' killer also took a kidney. If he was trying to ape the Ripper, why not settle on the uterus? Instead, he plumped for one of the more difficult internal organs to excise, thus increasing the risk of capture and execution?

If you want to argue that Eddowes was the unfortunate victim of a Ripper wannabe, that's one thing, but to say that the mutilations and organ removal were a deliberate red herring is absolutely barmy.
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Who but the killer of Polly and Annie would be threatened by this offhand (and uncorroborated) remark?
Well, we are talking about someone who kills people in this scenario, so he needn't be the one responsible for the previous 2 Canonicals, he might be someone she believed was responsible because of his reputation on the streets. I wonder if its possible she knew of him through her Irish socializing back with Conway. I can envision a situation where the man Kate believes is killing street whores is actually planning some other illegal activity, or robbing the Post Office, or involved with the Balfour plot. I agree that's looking at the darker edges of a possible answer here, but I don't believe its out of the question. It may well be that the Irish factor also applies to Mary Kelly, and that Kates incredibly coincidental use of almost Marys entire name and address, in mixed format, in the last 2 aliases she uses is evidence she actually knew Mary and she had been on her mind of late.

This is part of what leads me to believe the actual motives for some of the victims were related to political and revolutionary concerns, since the Fall of 88 was only a year out from the riot at Trafalgar, and since there was a foiled bomber plot that same year, and since there was an ongoing plan to assassinate Balfour, and since the Parnell Commission was looking into possible parliamentary links with terrorists, much of these activities concerning residents in and around the East end.....I'm sorry to phrase it this way, but the murder, however cruel, of some street unfortunates was hardly the most explosive thing going on in and around Whitechapel at the time. It was news worthy though....and that may help explain some letters which created this mythological character in the first place.
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This is part of what leads me to believe the actual motives for some of the victims were related to political and revolutionary concerns
So, an unprecedented string of similar murders of similar victims within weeks of each other doesn't convince you there's a link, but you're quite happy to speculate on the flimsiest hint of evidence about links to political assassinations and turmoil that may have been happening within a year or so....?
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So, an unprecedented string of similar murders of similar victims within weeks of each other doesn't convince you there's a link, but you're quite happy to speculate on the flimsiest hint of evidence about links to political assassinations and turmoil that may have been happening within a year or so....?
Surely no more speculative than associating Liz Strides murder with a so called serial pm mutilator? Based on an unsubstantiated interruption theory?

Similar murders means murders that have many similarities...like Pollys, Annies and perhaps Kate. Dissimilar murders, like a single throat cut or a dissection class with a 26 year old woman performed indoors, shouldn't be lumped with murders of middle aged street women without means for a bed on the particular evening they meet their killers, while soliciting. Only 2 Canonicals we can say with any certainty were actually soliciting on those respective nights.

And I submit in these cases, how the killer discovered his opportunity to strike is directly related to his access to them. Women asking strange men into dark corners are obviously an opportunistic killers preference.

Don't imagine these crimes occurred in a vacuum of news worthy stories Joshua, they were popularized by the press, anxious to sell papers and ridicule the police, they were not the most dangerous game going on in that town at that time.
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Surely no more speculative than associating Liz Strides murder with a so called serial pm mutilator? Based on an unsubstantiated interruption theory?

Similar murders means murders that have many similarities...like Pollys, Annies and perhaps Kate. Dissimilar murders, like a single throat cut or a dissection class with a 26 year old woman performed indoors, shouldn't be lumped with murders of middle aged street women without means for a bed on the particular evening they meet their killers, while soliciting. Only 2 Canonicals we can say with any certainty were actually soliciting on those respective nights.

And I submit in these cases, how the killer discovered his opportunity to strike is directly related to his access to them. Women asking strange men into dark corners are obviously an opportunistic killers preference.

Don't imagine these crimes occurred in a vacuum of news worthy stories Joshua, they were popularized by the press, anxious to sell papers and ridicule the police, they were not the most dangerous game going on in that town at that time.
They did not lead him to the murder sites.

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They did not lead him to the murder sites.

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You can't say for sure. Maybe in some cases, but not in others.
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