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that's the part i could never work out sam. was that bit of cloth between her forearm and leg removed between taking each photograph?
Interesting idea, but I honestly don't think that the body - or the furniture or bedclothes for that matter - was moved much between photographs, if at all.
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Interesting idea, but I honestly don't think that the body - or the furniture or bedclothes for that matter - was moved much between photographs, if at all.
Would the body move of it's own accord, as rigor mortis set in?
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Would the body move of it's own accord, as rigor mortis set in?
My guess would be no. Is that something that happens?

What an eerie and disturbing thought.
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Would the body move of it's own accord, as rigor mortis set in?
As rigor mortis is all about muscle contraction as oxygen and nutrients run out, there will be the occasional slight twitch and movement of the muscles after death. We're not talking about the Thriller video, here, but it's not a totally static picture.
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As rigor mortis is all about muscle contraction as oxygen and nutrients run out, there will be the occasional slight twitch and movement of the muscles after death. We're not talking about the Thriller video, here, but it's not a totally static picture.

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Someone with a good grounding in anatomy would do just as well. I've long been interested in anatomy myself, and have studied it, almost as a "hobby", since I was a kid. Much later, as part of my degree, I took an examined module in neuroanatomy under the splendid Prof Bob Lieberman at UCL, albeit neuroanatomy is probably not going to help us much with the MJK photographs! That said, for a lay-person, I'm pretty good at telling apart my gluteus maximus from my humerus.

Hi Sam would that be your humeral-olecranon-radial head joint?

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Hi Sam would that be your humeral-olecranon-radial head joint?
Strictly speaking, yes, Paul; more olecranon than humerus, if anything. I'll revise my metaphor, and use the more accurate version the next time
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hi sam and henry.
do you see the indication of a ridgeline where I have denoted the photo with yellow markings?
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As rigor mortis is all about muscle contraction as oxygen and nutrients run out, there will be the occasional slight twitch and movement of the muscles after death. We're not talking about the Thriller video, here, but it's not a totally static picture.
Not to mention Sarcoplasmic reticulum
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I've never been able to understand that photograpgh.
The cameraman would have had to have moved the bed. His position would place him between the wall and the bed facing the windows? The bed was against the wall, wasn't it? So if he's not standing on the mattress, and that shot is on a level, with what is presubably Kelly's knee, where is he other with his back to the partition?
That means the bed was moved and perhaps Mary was shifted in the process.
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